Hk MK23 & Horzine M7A3 Medic Rifle

[W00kiE]

Just have to say, thats some nice work indeed!!! =)
Should be added to the game as stock weapons, without need of a mutator!
*pulls off a poor Borat imitation* Verrri sexxi!

 

[Waryn]

Just have to say, thats some nice work indeed!!! =)
Should be added to the game as stock weapons, without need of a mutator!
*pulls off a poor Borat imitation* Verrri sexxi!

No, the animation of guns is anything but fluid, fire SCAR or bullpup both from hip and ironsights and you will see a slight shaking motion which returns guns back to place, with these guns motion is abrupt and unnatural, the reloading animations are not much better either.

Also he should download these gunshot sounds(the working link for actual download is on the last page of the topic) for the pistol. They are infinitely better and it shows how modders can outdo the people who made the sounds in the game.

The only thing good is that futuristic design of medic rifle.

 

[Salad Snake]

That is odd, I am not saying you are totally incorrect, but that is the way I have always done it, and it has gotten headshots. I think if the handguns weren't realistic like that, I probably wouldn't play. I mean, it is zombies, but if you are gonna have real world firearms and iron sights in your game, it should have most of the aspects of real world firearms handling.

if the way you are shooting works for you, that is cool.

I'll try your method, since I find having to cover the entire target with handcannon sights to be extremely annoying.

Before I download this is the animation of guns on the same level as the official guns, otherwise I won't bother.

Well, it's better then your typical FPSB submission.

*Overly large picture*

If you're going to post large pictures, attach spoiler tags to them like so:

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[Jack-Carver]

I'll try your method, since I find having to cover the entire target with handcannon sights to be extremely annoying.

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Yeah I also aim using this method and that's how you do it in real life. If the other weapons in KF however use different aiming methods we'll change it.

 

[Rainydaykid]

Yeah I also aim using this method and that's how you do it in real life. If the other weapons in KF however use different aiming methods we'll change it.

I use the AK and anything else with irons the same way, same deal. I didn't use the Mk23 a lot, but enough to where I probably would have noticed if it had handled any different than the other pistols.

 

[Pluberus]

Video of 'em (not mine):
YouTube - KF M7A3 & MK 23 UPDATED

 

[Sammers]

The only thing good is that futuristic design of medic rifle.

Sounds like you can do a better job. Get to it.

 

[Salad Snake]

I find myself missing these weapons when I play Medic on regular servers now.

 

[Undedd Jester]

Ya know what after watching those videos... I'm pretty damned impresed. These weapons look awesome

My 1 major concern is with the Mp7M vs. M7A3. The M7A3 wins hands down.

Plus I don't wan't to see the Medic with 3 weapons that he can spam heals with, he is already spammy enough with his fast recharges and high healing. So I think the healing portion of the M7A3 needs to be very carefully looked at.

The solutions I can think of so far (might even have to look at combining some of the effects): -

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- Tie the recharge of the M7A3 and the Mp7M together so that swapping between the 2 makes no difference in terms of managing heals.
The disadvantage of this is any smart medic will drop 1 of the guns and take a different wepaon for back up, which obviously means the Mp7 becomes obsolete.

- Reduce the recharge speed of the M7A3 by say 50% so it recharges about the rate of a level 2 Medic with the syringe for a level 6.
Somewhat in the right direction although it does still make the Medic still rather spammy, since rarely do you find yourself waitng for heals anyway as a level 6. It does however force more reliance on the syringe so it may work quite well for balancing

- Reduce the Healing Effect by 25% so it does a little over a Level 2 Medics healing at Level 6.
Unperked ___ Mp7 = 20 _ _ M7A3 = 15
Level 2 _____ Mp7 = 25 ___M7A3 = 18.75 (19)
Level 4 _____ Mp7 = 30 ___M7A3 = 22.5 (23)
Level 6 _____ Mp7 = 35 ___M7A3 = 26.25 (26)

This would give the player more damage and control at the cost of healing, keeping the Mp7 a rather favourable weapon. Of course the M7A3, although more powerful than the Mp7, would still be a pretty weak gun, so taking both Medic weapons while being more heal orientated would mean that is ALL the Medic could really do effectively. This is the set up I most prefer but the recharge speed could also work too.

As a result of I'd say make the M7A3 a weight of 6. With the Mp7M's weight of 3, and the M7A3's weight of 6 any weapon that weighed more than 5 would be too heavy. Further explanation below

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The M7A3 already functions like a assault rifle, so the Scar, while more damaging has bad recoil to contend with (and is expensive) and the Mac doesn't really hit that much harder than the M7A3 anyway. Clip is the same too.

The Axe, M79 and deagle are still usable but the LAR, AK, Bullpup, M14, Pump Action Shotty and the M32 cannot be used with both the Medic guns.

Furthermore, even with just the M7A3, the Xbow, Flamethrower, Hunting Shotgun, AA12 and Chainsaw are also off the list as well.

I feel these effects on the gun would make it a useful aspect of the Medics game, without making the Mp7 obsolete, which is something that definately needs to be monitored.

 

[macready84464]

voted for number 2. Been playing around with the mk23 for a few hours now. It seems like a great side arm. The damage might be a little high, but I suppose with the fire rate being nerfed that will balance it a tad more. So far it seems to be very useful to the commando, support, and demo perks. Particularly demo because it allows them to have more reliable damage in close quarters while still being able to hold onto the m32 and m79, at the sacrifice of pipes of course. Despite the usefulness of the mk23 with the demo I prefer it mostly as commando. It's nice having a dependable weapon to fall back on when your two main weapons run dry, which admittedly isn't often, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it.

 

[Spicy]

...I'd say make the M7A3 a weight of 6. With the Mp7M's weight of 3, and the M7A3's weight of 6 any weapon that weighed more than 5 would be too heavy. Further explanation below

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The M7A3 already functions like a assault rifle, so the Scar, while more damaging has bad recoil to contend with (and is expensive) and the Mac doesn't really hit that much harder than the M7A3 anyway. Clip is the same too.

The Axe, M79 and deagle are still usable but the LAR, AK, Bullpup, M14, Pump Action Shotty and the M32 cannot be used with both the Medic guns.

Furthermore, even with just the M7A3, the Xbow, Flamethrower, Hunting Shotgun, AA12 and Chainsaw are also off the list as well.

I feel these effects on the gun would make it a useful aspect of the Medics game, without making the Mp7 obsolete, which is something that definately needs to be monitored.

A weight of 6 would be good, that way it's in keeping with the Bullpup and the AK-47.

It's weird having the green ring around the dot but I absolutely love how it turns red once you're under half of your magazine. Even if you're not looking at your ammo counter (or if you're playing with your HUD off) you can have a vague idea of where you are for ammo. :]

I feel like I can acquire targets faster with the MP7, but I'm not used to using (the sights for ) an assault rifle as a medic. I'll sometimes AK as a medic, but I prefer to hipfire it. So going from the MP7's almost no-recoil to the M7A3's is a fun jump for me.

Can't wait for this to go on the whitelist.

 

[Jack-Carver]

Some News:
The Barrett M99 is almost finished now. Just some coding stuff needs to be done and then it's ready to use .
The animations i did with an IK Handle rig which Ivan made, really look 100% better then the previous ones I did. This just is the way to animate but we just didn't know much of it till now. To be honest there shouldn't be anything in the animations which might disturb you guys.
Due to many ppl complaining about the M7A3 feeling weightless I did my best to let the M99's animations look like it would actually weight 15kg and it looks like that now.
We might rig the M7A3 to the IK Handle rig and then reanimate it but I think the MK23's reload animations are fine for the moment.

The M99 will be an Anti Material Rifle for the Supporter! As it was quite a process of balancing the crossbow it would make no sense adding the M99 to the sharpshooter. It would have same damage but a bit longer reloading times.
So we decided to give it to the supporter and let it weight as much as the law or even more. Question is: If the supporter should be the only one who can carry it or not.
Next point is damage:
I thought a lvl 6 supporter should be able to kill a fleshpound with 3 headshots on hard but the fp is quite damaged with 2 already.
And maybe 4 to the chest. You have to consider that it only has 1 round in the barrel and takes some time to reload.
The supporter will get a damage bonus for the M99 but the balancing has to be done for the lvl 6 supporter.
Ammo: 30 rounds or less.

I would be thankful for some suggestions and thoughts.

 

[EricFong]

Cool, please release some picture if you can asap.

 

[masteriamamind]

Please make sure that you can carry the pump action along with it. The Law was original 14 blocks at 15 blocks the M99 would take too much room. The scope should not go beyond 1x zoom. The support population has gone way up since the SS nerf. The SS needs a reason to exist. Other classes can use it but at a penalty of 12 shots max. If the damage values are 3 head shots on hard with a lvl6 support, its balanced. It will only take more shots on higher levels.

 

[9_6]

The M99 will be an Anti Material Rifle for the Supporter!

So there finally, finally is a proper sniper rifle but it's supposed to be for the support who focuses on close range?
Makes no sense. Those 2 perks are like the polar opposite of each other.
You kinda can smuggle a commando weapon into the sharp (hello m14) but you wouldn't give it a shotgun.

 

[Jack-Carver]

Yeah and what would you like to use it for???? The crossbow is already the max damage weapon, which the SS could have and the M99 then just will have the same damage but slow reload times... That just would be stupid.
And it will have an Acog scope or so. And it wont get the headshotbonus from the SS and we'll try to make it difficult to hit something at long distances and scoring headshots.

 

[Aze]

Yeah and what would you like to use it for???? The crossbow is already the max damage weapon, which the SS could have and the M99 then just will have the same damage but slow reload times... That just would be stupid.
And it will have an Acog scope or so.

Well the Xbow is a tier 2 sharpie weapon. The M99 could be a tier 3 sharpie weapon alongside the M14

 

[Jack-Carver]

But then ppl would start crying cause the Xbow is useless and 1 shot fp kills. It would just be a strong Xbow with a bit longer reload times.

 

[9_6]

Either way, we can discuss this in its own topic.

 

[masteriamamind]

If the CREATOR of a model wants it to be for a certain perk why not? About the tweaks to make it harder to head shot at range, how will this be achieved? High rifle sway would seem weird. Is it possible for the M99 to cause a greater knock back effect? That way it would be harder to consistently head shot without making the gun unwieldy.