Hey Ramm-Jaeger what happened to hero status & MkB42H/AVT40 being rare weapons?
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There were some things in RO1's wound system that were a bit silly. Like when you would shoot someone crossing the street in the foot, and he would seem to almost come to a dead stop and SLOWLY continue his way across until you shot him again... that was always hilarious. So let's not go crazy idealizing RO1 or anything.
But there's things I miss. I do think taking a hit should hamper you more than it does. Right now in RO2 when I'm hit MORE OFTEN THAN NOT it's a bandagable wound. I think because most players aren't using bolt rifles, I tend to get hit by a PPSHor AVT round (I play Axis) at range and often those bullets don't have the punch to bring me down permanently. So one bandage and I'm good as new.
I miss having your gun shot out of your hand. Nothing makes you feel like "Oh damn that was CLOSE!". Also moving slower if shot in the leg would be nice. And CERTAINLY increase the weapon sway if you're wounded. People want that kind of thing because, honestly, if you get a kill in that state or survive an epic firefight wounded the sense of triumph is unrivaled.
That said I do really like the bleed out system in RO2. I like that people aren't always hit and killed at the drop of the hat, that's not necessarily "realistic" either.
There's a happy medium here, I expect it'll be found in a future patch.
But there's things I miss. I do think taking a hit should hamper you more than it does. Right now in RO2 when I'm hit MORE OFTEN THAN NOT it's a bandagable wound. I think because most players aren't using bolt rifles, I tend to get hit by a PPSHor AVT round (I play Axis) at range and often those bullets don't have the punch to bring me down permanently. So one bandage and I'm good as new.
I miss having your gun shot out of your hand. Nothing makes you feel like "Oh damn that was CLOSE!". Also moving slower if shot in the leg would be nice. And CERTAINLY increase the weapon sway if you're wounded. People want that kind of thing because, honestly, if you get a kill in that state or survive an epic firefight wounded the sense of triumph is unrivaled.
That said I do really like the bleed out system in RO2. I like that people aren't always hit and killed at the drop of the hat, that's not necessarily "realistic" either.
There's a happy medium here, I expect it'll be found in a future patch.
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I've been thinking you need to take longer to bleed out on average....but bleeding needs to accelerate over time if untreated. It's probably too much to ask that the game could know when you're moving around, running, mantling....and increase bleeding from wounds based on that.
But the window for when you CAN bandage to save yourself is so small, you almost have to do it immediately or die. People have already gotten good at bandaging THE SECOND a close combat encounter is over, or the second they take a round and get back into cover. If bleeding were less severe to start with but got worse and people could do more while bleeding....(along with way longer bandaging time) I think it might hit a sweet spot.
Also, one application of bandages treats ALL wounds at the same time. While I think it's too much to say three wounded areas takes three bandages, it should take three times as long to bandage one wound as it does three. That would easily add time bandaging in a lot of cases.
But the window for when you CAN bandage to save yourself is so small, you almost have to do it immediately or die. People have already gotten good at bandaging THE SECOND a close combat encounter is over, or the second they take a round and get back into cover. If bleeding were less severe to start with but got worse and people could do more while bleeding....(along with way longer bandaging time) I think it might hit a sweet spot.
Also, one application of bandages treats ALL wounds at the same time. While I think it's too much to say three wounded areas takes three bandages, it should take three times as long to bandage one wound as it does three. That would easily add time bandaging in a lot of cases.
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Really it's great to see TW called out on things like this finally. In terms of pure gameplay there is very little difference between bandaging and cod health regen system other then a single button press. No actual consequences to getting shot, but bandaids are limited which I guess is the realism part.
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I don't normally register a username to a forum just to throw my two cents into a conversation, but I couldn't help it this time.
Kenobi has every right to voice his concerns, and he how he chooses to come across is his pejorative. There is a constant air of frustration around here because the people in charge keep side-stepping. Besides, what are we? A bunch of soccer-moms? Why do you feel we need to speak at a low murmur and forgive unanswered questions? We, as consumers, were lead to believe, reasonably, that certain ideas, features, and concessions would be made. Furthermore, these concessions were to be made with the pretense of realism. We were not delivered what we were told would be delivered, and some of us are upset.
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I agree somewhat but his response came of as pretty lame excuse and telling us to live with it, which I must say is rather depressing.
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He didn't tell you to "live with it." He gave you an opinion and some chose to ride him over it.
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Hehe yesterday I jumped into a trench on Spartanovka and shot a guy in the back with an 8mm round. He started to turn so I bolted and put another one into his side. He then hosed me with his PPSH and proceeded to bandage two what would probably be fist sized holes in his rib cage xD
Oh and I know I hit him because there was blood splatter all over the inside of the trench... also I was like two meters away xD
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I can make SMG's more challenging if I squint my eyes or refuse to use Iron Sights. That would be artificially limiting myself though, same as I would be by choosing a bolt action rifle for the reasons SasQuatch suggested. If I wanted even more challenge with a bolt I could use the bayonet only I guess. In Ostfront I liked bolting because it was challengin, but you also knew the other weapons had challenge too or had situational uses, and you knew most other players were in the same boat
The game shouldn't be easy mode for some group of players and hard for others without there being a large payoff for playing "hard" mode. There's just no balance in the game. High rate of fire weapons have no difficulty balances like recoil, damage, sway, accuracy, spread etc, or even physical balances by limiting their amount as the ratio seems to be about 1/3 bolts on a full server (less if its not full), which is compounded by players able to pick up any weapon they find.
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No, he's using a straw man argument.
It's like if someone told you that load times were being increased, and when you asked why, they answered, "Well NOW you can think more about your strategy while you're sitting there, and just LOOK at these new load screen pictures ... aren't they great?"
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As far as i know, bandaging only stops you from losing health. It does not regenerate your health points.
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Sas, Can you say anything about any chance of (certain) weapons becoming restrictable by servers without having to be unranked?
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Here's the thing man, if you guys just want riflemen to be "for a challenge" you might as well remove all class limits other than Commander/SL. Just let everyone grab whatever gun they feel like and be done with it. At the moment it's just a computer speed race to whoever can grab the "good" classes first, and the rest get the booby prize.
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OK, i really appreciate some devs finally appearing here, its long overdue. So respect for that. But as the previous guy says, lets focus on what this thread is about. Complaints about bandages should go in its own thread. Here we are talking about the availability of the mkbs, which we were told were gonna be rare, as OP quoted in his original post, and hero status, which is MIA.
I still love this game so much, and i know im gonna stick with it, even more after modders fix the fantasy weapons, but we'd really like, now that we know that you are not ignoring the thread, to get an honest, straight answer about these two core gameplay issues.
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would be nice to see some effect like weapon sway or somthing when shot.
we gonna get a bone soon?
we gonna get a bone soon?
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Another issue which I've tried to address but got shouted down by those with uber rigs and 1,000,00 MB/s connections. TWI proliferates all the automatic weapons, but there aren't enough for everybody -- roughly half -- so the guys with fast puters or connections (whichever is helping them load the new maps faster than other playrs) get their choice of both team and class every freaking game, hog all the goodies for themselves, and the rest of us get lmg or bolty.
If there isn't a FAIR way to assign teams and classes, then yeah, I agree, let's go COD and everybody can pick whatever they want. I don't understand why there can't be a 20 second delay from the first load to the selection screen until the buttons actually function, to give everyone except those with hideous load times an equal chance at the goodies. Hell, even auto assign, or something along those lines. Giving people with the best equipment the right to always butt to the front of the line is unfair bullscheisse and patently unfair. To me, it reeks of flat-out lazyness in terms of game design; how difficult can it be to design and implement a fair class and team assignment or lottery system???
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Still no response on what this thread is really about: the hero status and the MKB and AVT actually NOT being rare weapons.
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