[Game] Heroes and Generals (WW2 MMO FPS/RTS)

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Flogger23m

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JayTac said:
The AI is too incompetent in ArmA 2 to say that it offers a realistic portrayal of combat. There's also no sense of immersion due to the lack of good effects, suppression, and being concussed as a few examples.
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It was vastly improved in the last few patches, though it still can be dumb. When it works you can have entire convoys drop off hundreds



JayTac said:
For scale how about Darkest Hour?
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It has a nice size scale, but it is still just a respawn based action shooter with realistic weapon modelling and whatnot. This is why I refer to RO as a realistic shooter, or light tactical shooter. But it certainly isn't a simulation. At best, it is a light simulator.


JayTac said:
Steel Beast Pro PE is certainly a true simulation, even when played PvP. So the notion that a military game can't be sim online is not true.
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I never said a game must be offline to count as a simulation. Someone claimed a simulation = playing PvP, which is simply not true. I don't play Steel Beast Pro, but if you are doing 1v1 PvP then a large aspect of the simulation is gone. AI infantry and AI vehicles that can not be controlled are large portions of that sim/game. Same can be said for DCS A-10. While the plane is modeled nicely, it would not be a simulation if all you could do was fight other human players in other A-10s. ;) You need AI units (tanks, infantry, SAMs ect.) to make it a simulation.

This is my last post on this topic as the thread has been derailed.

DiedTrying said:
btw, new build is out, and within the next month they are going to try and give everyone alpha access.
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I might download it just to see how the overall gameplay is, though I don't want to be an Alpha tester. :p So far I don't have much if any interest with Carrier Command around the corner (most likely with mod support) and with BF3 out, but if this game doesn't feature a tiny map count (BF3) and paid DLC then I might be interested in getting it for a BF3 supplement and eventual replacement.
 
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JayTac

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Flogger23m said:
It was vastly improved in the last few patches, though it still can be dumb. When it works you can have entire convoys drop off hundreds





It has a nice size scale, but it is still just a respawn based action shooter with realistic weapon modelling and whatnot. This is why I refer to RO as a realistic shooter, or light tactical shooter. But it certainly isn't a simulation. At best, it is a light simulator.




I never said a game must be offline to count as a simulation. Someone claimed a simulation = playing PvP, which is simply not true. I don't play Steel Beast Pro, but if you are doing 1v1 PvP then a large aspect of the simulation is gone. AI infantry and AI vehicles that can not be controlled are large portions of that sim/game. Same can be said for DCS A-10. While the plane is modeled nicely, it would not be a simulation if all you could do was fight other human players in other A-10s. ;) You need AI units (tanks, infantry, SAMs ect.) to make it a simulation.

This is my last post on this topic as the thread has been derailed.



I might download it just to see how the overall gameplay is, though I don't want to be an Alpha tester. :p So far I don't have much if any interest with Carrier Command around the corner (most likely with mod support) and with BF3 out, but if this game doesn't feature a tiny map count (BF3) and paid DLC then I might be interested in getting it for a BF3 supplement and eventual replacement.
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You don't need AI units for SB Pro PE multiplayer, I don't see why you need AI for that to be considered a sim. The game accomodates for enough humans to play on both sides and in different roles. Overall, specifically with FPS, there's no such thing as a combat simulation.. It's something that simply cannot and really should not be replicated on a game.. What you can simulate however, is infantry tactics. The tactics and strategy that in large part govern combat.

When the AI is not capable of acting as a human would, then the tactics I'm employing really won't account for much in a simulation sense.
 
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Flogger23m

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JayTac said:
You don't need AI units for SB Pro PE multiplayer, I don't see why you need AI for that to be considered a sim.
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You misread, again.

JayTac said:
When the AI is not capable of acting as a human would, then the tactics I'm employing really won't account for much in a simulation sense.
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AI very often tends to behave more realistically than human players.
 
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Did anyone else get invited to the Alpha test that starts in a few hours from now?
 
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ERK

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It was just a buggy mess. Lots of video lag combined with horrible pings on all the servers. Players were warping around so bad, I couldn't tell what was going on. It left a bad first impression on me, probably won't follow it anymore. Plus, I didn't realize it's just a web browser game... move along, nothing to see here.
 
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ERK said:
It was just a buggy mess. Lots of video lag combined with horrible pings on all the servers. Players were warping around so bad, I couldn't tell what was going on. It left a bad first impression on me, probably won't follow it anymore.
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Remember it's an alpha.
 
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Not sure if I did something wrong, but last playtest I joined the server and it seemed like I was the only one there. Even though I could see people chatting and stuff. I may have just missed how to properly choose where to deploy or something.

Seems like it'll be fun once they get animations and sounds to match up.
 
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