Why not just give hero rifleman a captured pistol in realism mode. Germans would get the TT33 and Russians would get the P38.
Hero Rifleman unlocks suggestions
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weren't m38's issued pretty much engineers only? would be nice if that were an option when playing one.
G98's (or K98b's) were used in pretty large numbers by the Germans during the war, esp. the Waffen SS used it a lot, along with snipers.
In short I'd love to see the K98b added to the game as a choosable unlock, along with the M38 Carbine.
In short I'd love to see the K98b added to the game as a choosable unlock, along with the M38 Carbine.
It was issued to basically anything but frontline infantry early in the war, any kind of back-troop really could be seen with them, including engineers, but Stalingrad was where the Carbine prooved it's worth, and they quickly became very popular with the troops fighting in this urban environment, the infantry was doing whatever they could to get their hands on them, demand skyrocketed.
Stalingrad is what made the Soviets fall in love with the Carbine, it's why the M44 Carbine came into existance, it was a direct result of the M38's success in Stalingrad.
And that also makes it a very iconic weapon for this battle, and is all the more reason i expected to see it in the game.
What i would personally love to see is for the M38 to start out as an engineer exclusive weapon in early maps, and then become a limited option for infantry in maps later in the battle. They need to stay rare, not every rifleman should be running around with them, but it would be nice to see a few in play, because it was an iconic weapon for this battle, and we know they where used in large numbers (but thouse numbers are obviously dwarfed by the sheer amount of 91/30's issued, hence it should stay rare).
I'd love a system where where the team has a limited pool of equipment like this this, say 2 M38's are avalible to the riflemen, but as soon as thouse 2 have been selected by someone, the option for the M38 gets locked, ensuring that only a couple of the rifleman get it.
The alternative is to make it part of the progression system, but if anyone here still belives that this system works as a means to make anything rare, then i have a bridge you may be interested in buying, special price just for you.
It doesen't, everyone gets ranked up eventually, and then everyone will have the supposed "rare" items, making them about as rare as grass in a park..
The SS i can agree with you on, but the SA?
To anyone who might not know this (Unus probably does, but lets just get the facts out of the way for everyone's benifit), there was a pretty big difference in how the regular army and the SS were armed.
The SA (regular army) was kept uniform with standard issue gear as much as possible, that means the Kar-98K, the MP-40, the P-38 pistol and all the standard issue German gear of the time.
The SS however where not, because production of the standard gear for the SA was often maxed out, there wasen't enough of it to also keep the SS with uniformed gear, so the SS was often using weapons from the stockpiles, old MP-28's, G-98's, P.08's, C-96's, even a lot of caputured and police issue gear, it was not uncommon for the SS to carry older weapons. And sometimes new prototypes, it was often the SS who fieldtested thouse.
However, there are no SS units in Ro2:HoS, do you see any black uniforms? any SS runes on the colars? Nope.
What we have here is the SA, the 6'th Army to be exact, so unless someone can find doccuments showing the 6'th Army beeing issued a sizeable collection of G-98's, which is highly unlikely, then i don't see what they have to do with Stalingrad..
Who is the SA?
The Reguler Army was the Heer, and even a number of their units had to make due with what ever they could find.
The only "SA" that I'm aware of is the Sturm Abteilung, and that is not a regular army unit (more related to the SS that anything -well the other way around really).
Makes sense to me that it would thus end up being a Vet or Hero unlock for riflemen.... then that would reduce the amount of them being on maps.
It doesn't really matter if we think the system works or not.... it's there and it's not going anywhere. Regardless, the only reason why the MKB42 and other unlocks are not as rare as they should be is because a pile of people, myself included, bought the DDE and previously owned RO1...... if Trip no longer provides these kind of specials where people can pay extra for unlocks, then there shouldn't be an issue with a pile of players running around with the same weapon like what happened to the MKB42.
Besides, the MKB turned into a Vet weapon, not a Hero weapon..... if the Carbine is left as a hero weapon for riflemen (which would take a long while to level up to) than you shouldn't have much to worry about with everybody running around with them.
Besides, it's not like the Carbine would magically provide players with some huge advantage like the MKB42 does for people over the MP40. It still holds the same amount of rounds, it can't hold a bayonet and it's range is less than that of the 91/30...... it should be compensated with a faster target acquisition and perhaps a faster reload, but other than that, there would be no huge advantage.
Every player on the map would have to pick that weapon in order for the above to be true.... and I know that even though I have the MKB42 and other weapons unlocked, I'm not using them as often as I do with the stock weapons.
And I know I'm not the only player who doesn't automatically jump to the unlocked weapons.
This topic isn't about having a b*tch fest on how much you don't like the unlocks/progression.... complaining and moaning about it isn't going to make it go away, so if it's going to stay, then we might as well try and find ways to make it fun and more useful for every class.
You complain about how rare or simply non-existent any of the suggested weapons would be in Stalingrad due to the age of the weapons or what forces are depicted in the game, but since the MKB42 is already in there and used a lot on some maps by some players, that's kind of a contradicting argument to make.
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The SA or Sturmabteilung were not the German regulars, that would be the Wehrmacht.
The "brown shirts", as they were called colloquially, were Adolf Hitler's first paramilitary group. They became viewed as a threat to the regime, and were effectively 'purged' in 1934 during the "night of the long knives".