[Question] Have pavlovshouse been optimized lately?
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Sorry guys you can't have it both ways. Either we cut down detail in the levels and it runs better for a wider range of people, or we leave the detail and then everyone complains about "OMG this game doesn't run as good as every other game I play that just happens to be a console port with low detail." And unfortunately, another symptom of almost all recent shooters being console ports is everyone just cranks there graphics up to Ultra no matter what hardware they have, then come crying to us that the game doesn't run very good on their 3-5 year old hardware. This being due to the fact that games designed to run on 5 year old console hardware usually run awesome on 5 year old machines on the highest settings.
Sorry to be blunt, but sometimes I have to
my system specs blow everything listed for minimum and required so stop making excuses with the 5 year BullS line for the games lack of performance.
Sorry to be blunt but sometimes I have to........................
Sorry guys you can't have it both ways. Either we cut down detail in the levels and it runs better for a wider range of people, or we leave the detail and then everyone complains about "OMG this game doesn't run as good as every other game I play that just happens to be a console port with low detail." And unfortunately, another symptom of almost all recent shooters being console ports is everyone just cranks there graphics up to Ultra no matter what hardware they have, then come crying to us that the game doesn't run very good on their 3-5 year old hardware. This being due to the fact that games designed to run on 5 year old console hardware usually run awesome on 5 year old machines on the highest settings.
Sorry to be blunt, but sometimes I have to
This is ridiculous. Please allow me to name some PC exclusives that not only are well detailed with demanding engines.
Crysis
STALKER Call of Pripyat
Hard Reset
The Witcher 2
Shogun 2 Total War
and probably more I can't think of right now
Not one available on consoles (yet) and some how they aren't all bug ridden with crappy fps on reasonable PCs. What you have just done is say that none of these games exist. Because apparently it's impossible to have a highly detailed game on PC and it not run like crap on the average gaming system.
Seriously this is your rational for why the game barely functions on most PCs? I meet the recommended spec and exceed them in some areas and yet the best I can get is low settings and 30 fps. That is just ridiculous. It's just excuse after excuse and really I doubt even the hammer legion are going to be able to wash this one away. I used to be a huge fan of Tripwire but having been insulted multiple times since the start of the beta I honestly don't think I care any more. So good luck with the game I suspect you will need it after this fiasco and I won't be buying anything you produce in the future. Because to be honest if this is what PC exclusives are now then I will stick to the console ports because even if they are dumbed down with "low detail" at least they are playable.
I respect Tripwire for being blunt and honest, and I can totally believe their explanation.
That said, it's disappointing that people like myself who have been able to run the game fine since release now have to accept lower detail maps.
Surely there's another way, as this just seems like a bit of a desperate last resort made under the pressure of complaints. I feel as though i'm being punished for the constant whining of a very vocal minority who are having problems running the game.
Maybe if there was some kind of prompt in-game advising people that they may be running the game on settings that are too high for their computer, that would be a start.
That said, it's disappointing that people like myself who have been able to run the game fine since release now have to accept lower detail maps.
Surely there's another way, as this just seems like a bit of a desperate last resort made under the pressure of complaints. I feel as though i'm being punished for the constant whining of a very vocal minority who are having problems running the game.
Maybe if there was some kind of prompt in-game advising people that they may be running the game on settings that are too high for their computer, that would be a start.
My god...the nerve of you.
First off...before I continue. How dare you poke fun at so called "console ports" when even the worst console port of this year works a hell of a lot better than your game.
Second of all please do explain to me how the following games run better than your game which uses a 5 year old "console" engine and honestly doesn't even look that good. Have you even seen your own maps? Particularly the tank ones? I mean FFS...have you guys played the BF3 alpha? How the hell does the alpha version of a game that runs circles around yours visually run better than this?
Crysis 2, DX11, Maximum settings, 1080P
Crysis, DX10, heavily modded, 4xAA,16xAF, 1080P
Battlefield 3 Alpha, maxed, DX11, 1080P
Shogun 2 Total War, maxed, DX11, 4xAA, 16xAF
Witcher 2, Ultra settings, 1080P
How in the world do those games run better than yours?
I am using an 15 2500k, GTX 570 SLI, 8 gigs of RAM, and the games on one of my SSD's. My system is 100% stable, runs all synthetic benchmarks at the proper FPS, and eats all those games I mentioned alive.
It's YOUR game. Not OUR PC's. Stop being so arrogant and downright insulting. This is the worst running Unreal Engine 3 game I have ever seen. The fact that it runs worse than Frostbyte 2, CryEngine 2, and CryEngine 3 is just sad. Your solution is to sneak in these changes without even telling us? Just straight up lying in your patch notes telling us "performance fixes!!!"
Way to go...I used to think you guys were one of the best developers around. I always wanted to support you and thought you could do no wrong. You were up their with CD Projekt RED and Valve. How wrong was I...
First off...before I continue. How dare you poke fun at so called "console ports" when even the worst console port of this year works a hell of a lot better than your game.
Second of all please do explain to me how the following games run better than your game which uses a 5 year old "console" engine and honestly doesn't even look that good. Have you even seen your own maps? Particularly the tank ones? I mean FFS...have you guys played the BF3 alpha? How the hell does the alpha version of a game that runs circles around yours visually run better than this?
Crysis 2, DX11, Maximum settings, 1080P
Crysis, DX10, heavily modded, 4xAA,16xAF, 1080P
Battlefield 3 Alpha, maxed, DX11, 1080P
Shogun 2 Total War, maxed, DX11, 4xAA, 16xAF
Witcher 2, Ultra settings, 1080P
How in the world do those games run better than yours?
I am using an 15 2500k, GTX 570 SLI, 8 gigs of RAM, and the games on one of my SSD's. My system is 100% stable, runs all synthetic benchmarks at the proper FPS, and eats all those games I mentioned alive.
It's YOUR game. Not OUR PC's. Stop being so arrogant and downright insulting. This is the worst running Unreal Engine 3 game I have ever seen. The fact that it runs worse than Frostbyte 2, CryEngine 2, and CryEngine 3 is just sad. Your solution is to sneak in these changes without even telling us? Just straight up lying in your patch notes telling us "performance fixes!!!"
Way to go...I used to think you guys were one of the best developers around. I always wanted to support you and thought you could do no wrong. You were up their with CD Projekt RED and Valve. How wrong was I...
Wow?
I'm not being funny Tripwire, you guys really need to work on your PR skills because they plain suck at the minute. I've played your stuffs for a very long time now, but lately some of the comments coming out are just rude and you're starting to put people off - and that makes me sadface.
Less trolling, more respect, fix the damn game.
I'm not being funny Tripwire, you guys really need to work on your PR skills because they plain suck at the minute. I've played your stuffs for a very long time now, but lately some of the comments coming out are just rude and you're starting to put people off - and that makes me sadface.
Less trolling, more respect, fix the damn game.
their PR sucks big red donkey balls, i think they might be autistic or something
but they do stick by their games and are trying to improve performance etc
but they do stick by their games and are trying to improve performance etc
ye i just sent a support ticket into steam for a refund after reading this im through with TW blaming peoples hardware for not running this game properly.
p.s my specs.
i5 760 4.4 ghz
8gb ram
sli gtx 580.
p.s my specs.
i5 760 4.4 ghz
8gb ram
sli gtx 580.
Good luck, I battled with Steam sense the release and they won't refund. This is probably the most disappointing 40 dollars I ever spend in my life, and all I wanted is to support small studio that was making the game for the fans, too bad.
Sorry guys ....
Sorry to be blunt, but sometimes I have to
Are you joking me? There are console ports that look better, have more detail on screen and run much better than this crap. Just admit that your dev team doesn't have the technical expertise to do better.
I sympathize with what Ramm is saying and I don't find it particularly insulting, but I don't follow the "you can't have it both ways" argument. So Ramm's saying we can't have bricks and not have the game crashing all the time? Why were they in there in the first place then? To be honest I think I get it but in my book it makes as much sense as the Chewbacca defence.
Seriously, don't alienate your happy customers by downgrading their game. It'll just leave everyone unhappy.
Btw, just one example of having it both ways would be having it included in the detail slider or at least some graphical option with a warning. Though I think he's overlooking the fact that performance isn't necessesarily good on some higher end systems even with the graphics turned down to low, effectively forcing a compromise to a problem that doesn't exist for many people as bottlenecks seem to be the issue and not the graphical fidelity in itself.
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You must find it at least a little insulting to your intelligence that the excuse seems to be 'no dude your pc just sucks', I mean that effectively what anyone with performance issues is being told.
I think they are basically alienating everyone at this point.
Even if it is the case (which it isn't) that all these people do need an upgrade, why should they? When 99% of the games you play run perfectly well on a system why should you upgrade for the 1 game that doesn't? Especially when it's clearly evidence of poor coding. If RO2 looked like Crysis and used PhysX on everything I would begin to see why it was running poorly for me. Frankly I struggle to make the game look as good as RO1 and I have to avoid anything more than 32 players and only play on certain maps or the game becomes an unplayable mess.
Unplayable is another thing I would love to get to the point when we don't have to use the word playable but rather always use the word enjoyable.
Wow that's disappointing. I've been running that map with mostly everything on Ultra and it was a bit laggy but not unplayable.
Removing details like that is just not the way to go imo.
Removing details like that is just not the way to go imo.
Ugh I just fired the map up for the first time since that stupid change... It is sooooooooo friggin ugly now.. Bear in mind I've been playing on ultra/high settings since beta super silky smooth no issues and now I have to deal with this UGLYness because of a bunch of whiny little spoiled brats?? Simply NOT COOL. You guys couldn't add it in as an option or slider?? "Environmental Detail - low,med,high,ultra ???? Seriously?
This is the first time EVER that I've been upset with a decision TWI has made.. I've been around since it was a friggin mod... What's going on over there at Tripwire guys wtf are you smoking?
This is the first time EVER that I've been upset with a decision TWI has made.. I've been around since it was a friggin mod... What's going on over there at Tripwire guys wtf are you smoking?
You can't blame the "whiny spoiled brats" (love to know how complaining about performance is whining though) you have to blame TWI and TWI only, they did this not us. Just because people are complaining about performance (a lot of people legitimatly) doesn't mean they should make the game worse for everyone, as you say yourself, it should have been in the options, that's what those options are for after all.
Simply put, you don't fix performance by making ultra look like medium and call it "optimization".
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I can blame all the scrubs who complained and complained and never submitted one perfdump to try and help them find the issue, so all these whiny brats finally got to TWI so they are doing something drastic and screwing all of us over with good hardware that run the game fine... Most of the whiners are kids who have old *** hardware with like a newer vid card and thats it and they think they should have like 200 fps on ultra.. This game is very processor heavy.
I blame TWI as well, because they could of made this an option for us to choose if we wanted detailed environment settings or not.. It's simply not fair either way.
yeah wtf bro
yeah wtf bro
I have experienced this also. I even showed my non-gamer wife some screenshots I took before and after and her response was "wow, its ugly now, why did they do that?".
Seriously TWI, why remove the detail that I enjoyed so much and was so thrilled about, because some little kid cant run his core2 duo laptop on max settings?
Ramm-Jaeger, there are people out here (like me) that are also in the software development, even game development business and understand how it works. Let me put it another way: don't jerk us around, we know whats up.
yeah wtf bro
I have experienced this also. I even showed my non-gamer wife some screenshots I took before and after and her response was "wow, its ugly now, why did they do that?".
Seriously TWI, why remove the detail that I enjoyed so much and was so thrilled about, because some little kid cant run his core2 duo laptop on max settings?
Ramm-Jaeger, there are people out here (like me) that are also in the software development, even game development business and understand how it works. Let me put it another way: don't jerk us around, we know whats up.
of course it didn't. nobody has experienced a boost. Because TWI is just a company of modders who are able to provide new models to an engine and to implement logic with UDK. No experienced programmers - you can tell by their "optimization". Hell yeah they remove some ****ing bricks to raise the cpu and gpu usage on high end machines that are currently facing performance issues? What are they thinking?
To all of you people who are able to enjoy the game with high high perfomance: Just shut up. You don't want to understand that there are users with high end rigs who can't even play on low. And I doubt you won't because everytime you say someone's PC must be crap, your penis grows.
And show me one single guy here in the forums who wants to play the game on ultra with an old rig! I didn't see a single one. Most of the people complaining here wrote down their high end specs!
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