Hardcore Realism Suggestions Package and Proposal, to Tripwire, modders and community
- Thread starter Sarkis.
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My radical idea for mgs and snipers would be to limit their spawns, not their respawn rates.
Same for squad leaders, limit their respawns, to force them to act like leaders, not kamakazis with smgs and pistols and a smoke grenade.
Say, 10 spawns for snipers, mgs, and sls per game, 2 per platoon comander.
Regular for rifleman and assault.
Limit heroes to 10 as well.
Food for thought.
Same for squad leaders, limit their respawns, to force them to act like leaders, not kamakazis with smgs and pistols and a smoke grenade.
Say, 10 spawns for snipers, mgs, and sls per game, 2 per platoon comander.
Regular for rifleman and assault.
Limit heroes to 10 as well.
Food for thought.
If you want to pull that off, you should limit their availability in time: for example: at spawn, there is 1 class available, after 2 minutes another, etc. That way, you can't burn through all the spawns in the first assault, but there is still a sense of rarity to the class.
Limiting the respawn time has been suggested for, particularly for tanks; it's something that I would really like to see.
Yeah, that's what i meant. It would be unfair if i hadn't increased the total by 40% and gave them 10 more minutes to be successful in their attacks
Ok but, to balance out the 10 minutes, you would increase the reinforcements of both teams by an equal percentage. I don't see why you would need to make them equal in total amount.
It really ins't a need. I just don't think there is a need for it to be assymetric at all. Defenders will still win by bleeding the other team out of tickets more and sooner, unless they are defending very poorly 
They way it is now, defenders win because of time, lockdown, or playing enough well that the opposing team's attack simply bogs down, which leads to a victory in time or lockdown. If they would win by bleeding the enemy team out of tickets, they usually are also bled nearly at the same time, so they kinda don't win necessarily..
If you or anyone really want assymetrical tickets say so, let me know
They way it is now, defenders win because of time, lockdown, or playing enough well that the opposing team's attack simply bogs down, which leads to a victory in time or lockdown. If they would win by bleeding the enemy team out of tickets, they usually are also bled nearly at the same time, so they kinda don't win necessarily..
If you or anyone really want assymetrical tickets say so, let me know
Let me add another thing to this thread, aimed specifically to those that claim that we should never play something different than Classic, Realism, Action. To Those who claim ''a new mode will split the community even more, and for that, we don't need one more''..
You are right. We don't need another mode. And yes, it would have to potential to split the community even further.
But you are wrong. Let me quote a friend:
''We wants it, we needs it. Must have the prrecious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!''
We wants it.. the polls always show. People are always up or in needs for more realism, more authenticity.
If a new mode was to be made. It would have to be many things, but not niche, not so different and played in a strange manner. It would have to be an unity mode. A mode for all the players, not so hardcore, not so extreme, still Red Orchestra 2, but with a different taste, mindset. More serious.
People will not wan't to give up Classic, Realism, Action. And nor do they have to.
But a New Authentic Mode, closer to what Red Orchestra 2 could have been, is wanted and should be made, and still perhaps be to the likings of classic folk, realism folk and action folk. Hence not splitting us as much as uniting us.
I reiterate for all of us:
It doesn't have to be Sarkis's Authentic Realism Proposal letter by letter, or have anything to do with what I wrote, those are just suggestions. But a new, better, brighter mode is rightfully needed
You are right. We don't need another mode. And yes, it would have to potential to split the community even further.
But you are wrong. Let me quote a friend:
''We wants it, we needs it. Must have the prrecious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!''
We wants it.. the polls always show. People are always up or in needs for more realism, more authenticity.
If a new mode was to be made. It would have to be many things, but not niche, not so different and played in a strange manner. It would have to be an unity mode. A mode for all the players, not so hardcore, not so extreme, still Red Orchestra 2, but with a different taste, mindset. More serious.
People will not wan't to give up Classic, Realism, Action. And nor do they have to.
But a New Authentic Mode, closer to what Red Orchestra 2 could have been, is wanted and should be made, and still perhaps be to the likings of classic folk, realism folk and action folk. Hence not splitting us as much as uniting us.
I reiterate for all of us:
It doesn't have to be Sarkis's Authentic Realism Proposal letter by letter, or have anything to do with what I wrote, those are just suggestions. But a new, better, brighter mode is rightfully needed
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US?? For whom do you speak besides you and your friends? Certainly not for everyone.
Please......
Keep yer mitts off Realism.... Monkey around with Classic and leave the game mode most of us enjoy - ALONE!
Please......
Keep yer mitts off Realism.... Monkey around with Classic and leave the game mode most of us enjoy - ALONE!
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This is very well thought out but frankly we dont need another mode.
I would agree with replacing "realism" mode with this though; sounds much better...
I would agree with replacing "realism" mode with this though; sounds much better...
At the very least the realism mode should have it's name changed to "normal". Its present name would be very misleading if this new "authentic mode" was ever implemented. I bet at least 20% of the people that play on realism now have never even tried classic and think realism is the most realistic mode just because of its name. I'm pretty satisfied with classic, but a new mode like this one would be nice, doesn't matter if official or modded.
Are you daft ?
A mod would be great, don't get me wrong... But official would be wonderful just like... like.......hm... like Ponponpon!
きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ - PONPONPON - YouTube
He has stated multiple times, including in his opening post, that he wants this to be a new game mode entirely. You're argung with thin air - neither Sarkis nor, as far as I can tell, most of the people who support this idea want to replace realism with it.
I support the idea of asymmetrical tickets for some maps. This way, it will force defenders to conserve their lives and cover their positions well instead of just rushing to meet the attackers in some kind of gladiatorial combat mode.
Also, I still like the lockdown idea, and I rarely see it work-unfortunately. Authentically, one side would rarely attack until totally depleted of men and would have to regroup after a charge or two were repelled.(well, yeah, the Russians did do that often, but by Stalingrad, I think in practice they were beginning to fight somewhat more considerately.
I know I probably have fellow supporters in this area of this idea, but I don't like how every battle becomes the Somme or Penal Battalion assaults(or worse still, MKB/SVT sniping excersises.
On another, I too want an official authentic realism, but modding would give us more freedom to do/experiment with whatever we want. If I had the skills in that kind of work, I'de start work on it as soon as possible, I'm sure we all would.
Great post btw Sarkis, very inspirational picture!
Also, I still like the lockdown idea, and I rarely see it work-unfortunately. Authentically, one side would rarely attack until totally depleted of men and would have to regroup after a charge or two were repelled.(well, yeah, the Russians did do that often, but by Stalingrad, I think in practice they were beginning to fight somewhat more considerately.
I know I probably have fellow supporters in this area of this idea, but I don't like how every battle becomes the Somme or Penal Battalion assaults(or worse still, MKB/SVT sniping excersises.
On another, I too want an official authentic realism, but modding would give us more freedom to do/experiment with whatever we want. If I had the skills in that kind of work, I'de start work on it as soon as possible, I'm sure we all would.
Great post btw Sarkis, very inspirational picture!