This one has 507:
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=73088
(Albeit this was imo wrongly translated by TWI to: they want Classic!)
Hardcore Realism Suggestions Package and Proposal, to Tripwire, modders and community
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This one has 507:
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=73088
(Albeit this was imo wrongly translated by TWI to: they want Classic!)
Source of that statement? But I can imagine the you don't make friends in the modders community with that statement and by that I guess your statement would be correct.
You might have "scared them away" with your previous statement.
This thread talks about many ideas...
Die Gedanken sind Frei!
Also, the OP has been condensed into only what regards the suggested Authentic Mode. So it'd be better for everyone to read it before they cast their vote. I believe that what is suggested would comprise of a mode not hard enough to make. Christmas is coming, and Tripwire might be looking into giving us a present
The rest of the OP, the part that doesn't deal with the Authentic Mode directly, I have put in a spoiler in the end of the OP
OK. It might be a mod someday.
But it probably won't. I don't see it. As I said, I am not standing in the way of this becoming a mod. Modders also have to take a stand. I have not heard from a single one. And neither do they have to speak with me anyhow. These ideas are all free for anyone.
My Number One suggestion has always been about TWI changing their mindset about the game. Anything short of that is less than what I want.
But it probably won't. I don't see it. As I said, I am not standing in the way of this becoming a mod. Modders also have to take a stand. I have not heard from a single one. And neither do they have to speak with me anyhow. These ideas are all free for anyone.
My Number One suggestion has always been about TWI changing their mindset about the game. Anything short of that is less than what I want.
No offense, but that probably won't happen
they're not talking because they're afraid, probably. I would be too, working with a demanding audience.
have a hug <( ^.^ )>
There were those who defended TWIs wish to have an MKb42, there were those that defended having the MKb42 it self. No wonder the MKb42 is still at the Stalingrad setting. And no wonder I made this thread to combat it's presence. Not from realism, since that is all admittedly arcade by now, but from any mode trying to live up to the bar of excellence that TWI set with ROOST
I was grudgingly okay with experimental weapons and defended the decision to add them - right up until Tripwire's complete fabrication about them being 'rare' or 'hard to get' was blown out of the water and every player and their dog had an MKb on release. At that point it became abundantly clear to me that a) this game is no place for any experimental weapons at all, and b) assurances by the devs are worth less than a 1945 Reichsmark.
In my opinion a ranking system should only be used to show how much a person has played. Im not a fan of having to earn unlocks and such. The more I think about it, the less I like the progression system. It feels like Im a totally different player when I switch from my highly decorated elite rifleman role to a level 1 squad leader. Im slower, run out of stamina quicker. Just doesnt feel right. And I agree with what other people posted about how its going to be problamatic switching from your hero role to raw recruit role for a clan match so everyone is even. Ranks shouldnt give players advantages.
I like to play Realism, I am not inclined to play Classic as much, and hence I have to endure MKb42s all day long.
That won't ever change, and as such I think that Authentic mode would be the only way for me.
Perhaps I'm missing something.. but a realism mode server is bound to have MKb42's. That is pretty sad..
Authentic Mode is sheer happiness, best of Classic and best of Realism
That won't ever change, and as such I think that Authentic mode would be the only way for me.
Perhaps I'm missing something.. but a realism mode server is bound to have MKb42's. That is pretty sad..
Authentic Mode is sheer happiness, best of Classic and best of Realism
Even with the myriad of other horrific problems this game has, immediately demolishing the unlock system, removing all experimental weapons (especially the G 41 with 4x scope) and tweaking numbers so there are more bolt actions would result in a dramatic and noticeable improvement to the game.
I am advocating doing this for Realism, not Classic. I despise Classic, because it is a cheap band-aid to pander to a tiny subset of the community. It doesn't improve gameplay, all it does is make it like a historically inaccurate retake of RO:O with better graphics. The game was marketed as realistic and authentic, we were told to expect realism and authenticity, and yet there were a bunch of things in the game at release which have no business being in it.
There should have been ONE game mode, realism, without unlocks or experimental/'rare' weapons. All Tripwire have achieved by throwing in Classic is to further rub people like me up the wrong way while placating those who miss RO's gameplay, not the fact that it was the sole WWII game which actually gave a toss about being historically accurate enough to feel like the real thing. All they achieved by creating Action is attracting a few of the lowest-common-denominator FPS crowd they hoped to pull in to begin with. Most of them have gone back to CoD and BF, objectively better games than the gimped version of RO2 that is 'Action'. The rest of them hang around here trashing any calls for improvement at all, because that is what they do. The Realism mode crowd is further divided between those who still think it is too much but can't stand Action, those who think it is fine as it is, and those of us who struggle to justify the money we spent on this game.
Because the community is now so divided, and because most of those cliques have solidified into little fortresses of completely unchangeable groupthink, this game is never going to get any better. Mighty convenient of it to work out like that, too, since TWI can do whatever they like and the community will forever be too fractured to actually stand up to them. If the game had had an actually realistic Realism mode and nothing else, like Ostfront did, you would have had your same faithful community, happily supporting you and drawing in more players who would enjoy the game. You may not have trumped MW3 for pre-orders or made a huge profit immediately, but considering the current state of the game, those achievements were a joke anyway.
Instead you've got a seething mass of discontentment, except it can't figure out why it's discontent the most. You also have people who just a year ago could not sing your praises high enough swearing off of Tripwire products for life and telling all their friends about it, not to mention players coming in from free weekends or returning after a long hiatus, expecting things to be different, finding they are not and then leaving in a huff.
Of course, it doesn't help that people who genuinely want to see the game improve keep getting 'spirited away' right off the forums, or sternly warned off of levelling any criticism at all against the devs. Happy thoughts only.
I am advocating doing this for Realism, not Classic. I despise Classic, because it is a cheap band-aid to pander to a tiny subset of the community. It doesn't improve gameplay, all it does is make it like a historically inaccurate retake of RO:O with better graphics. The game was marketed as realistic and authentic, we were told to expect realism and authenticity, and yet there were a bunch of things in the game at release which have no business being in it.
There should have been ONE game mode, realism, without unlocks or experimental/'rare' weapons. All Tripwire have achieved by throwing in Classic is to further rub people like me up the wrong way while placating those who miss RO's gameplay, not the fact that it was the sole WWII game which actually gave a toss about being historically accurate enough to feel like the real thing. All they achieved by creating Action is attracting a few of the lowest-common-denominator FPS crowd they hoped to pull in to begin with. Most of them have gone back to CoD and BF, objectively better games than the gimped version of RO2 that is 'Action'. The rest of them hang around here trashing any calls for improvement at all, because that is what they do. The Realism mode crowd is further divided between those who still think it is too much but can't stand Action, those who think it is fine as it is, and those of us who struggle to justify the money we spent on this game.
Because the community is now so divided, and because most of those cliques have solidified into little fortresses of completely unchangeable groupthink, this game is never going to get any better. Mighty convenient of it to work out like that, too, since TWI can do whatever they like and the community will forever be too fractured to actually stand up to them. If the game had had an actually realistic Realism mode and nothing else, like Ostfront did, you would have had your same faithful community, happily supporting you and drawing in more players who would enjoy the game. You may not have trumped MW3 for pre-orders or made a huge profit immediately, but considering the current state of the game, those achievements were a joke anyway.
Instead you've got a seething mass of discontentment, except it can't figure out why it's discontent the most. You also have people who just a year ago could not sing your praises high enough swearing off of Tripwire products for life and telling all their friends about it, not to mention players coming in from free weekends or returning after a long hiatus, expecting things to be different, finding they are not and then leaving in a huff.
Of course, it doesn't help that people who genuinely want to see the game improve keep getting 'spirited away' right off the forums, or sternly warned off of levelling any criticism at all against the devs. Happy thoughts only.
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I like to play Realism, I am not inclined to play Classic as much, and hence I have to endure MKb42s all day long.
That won't ever change, and as such I think that Authentic mode would be the only way for me.
Perhaps I'm missing something.. but a realism mode server is bound to have MKb42's. That is pretty sad..
Authentic Mode is sheer happiness, best of Classic and best of Realism
I enjoy playing realism I just would prefer to play Classic. There isnt a classic server that is constantly occupied
Well put. However, I would add to that. Classic, while not being the mode that RO2 needed or the mode the community asked for (see this poll), is not doing what it is supposed to do. If we are going to have a mode that mimics the classical fps gameplay, it should go all the way and lower its claim for realism, by removing zoom completely (or minimal zoom) (and slightly up smg recoil to compensate). Ie, how almost all fps have done it in the past. Then you truly have a mode that will play like fps's from the days of yore (RO, The Third Reich, ...)
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Well yes, but taking the current situation of the game, while that would appease some people, I think it would also be a shot in foot. Because it would probably not appease people who are currently playing classic only to escape Realism's problems, and not for the ''days of yore'' feel.
And also, Call of Duty 2 for instance, was a great game and all, fun Single Player, but who here wants to go back into the past and trade RO2 for its MP? I don't
I personally do not like this search of bringing back ALL the stuff that games in the past got. We'd be better of by just bringing back what games in the past got right. Or even better by outdoing what they got right.
