Hardcore Realism Suggestions Package and Proposal, to Tripwire, modders and community

[Sarkis.]

The poll is up!

And I will be clear about one thing. None of this will ever be a mod. That is why it is a yes/no situation. Either you wish for Red Orchestra to become a more realism centered, authentic game or you simply don't and realism/classic does it for you. Vote your wish and Tripwire might become inclined to do something about it. If they don't, nothing will happen. I won't chasing rabbits to turn this into reality alone, is beyond my capability or will. Modders are free to come forth, and take this for themselves.

This thread talks about many ideas...
Die Gedanken sind Frei!

Also, the OP has been condensed into only what regards the suggested Authentic Mode. So it'd be better for everyone to read it before they cast their vote. I believe that what is suggested would comprise of a mode not hard enough to make. Christmas is coming, and Tripwire might be looking into giving us a present

The rest of the OP, the part that doesn't deal with the Authentic Mode directly, I have put in a spoiler in the end of the OP

 

[Sarkis.]

What are you doing you people voting ''I don't care'' and ''No''

We have to win! Get in the Cap!

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I voted NO. There are enough modes already and if there isn't enough interest to make a mod, then ultimately it wouldn't be worth officially creating it.

Mod only.

 

[Dionysos]

I think the poll should say "Do you want an 'Authentic Mode' as described in the OP."

Maybe people want an "authentic mode", just not this one. Not a very helpful set of choices imo. But I guess everything that's been said in this thread, has.

 

[Ducky]

As already said I think this should really turn into a mod.

Then why you voted yes?

 

[Proud_God]

I voted yes because I have a taste for what makes games good.

Seriously, this mode would be awesome. Modders, please answer to the OP's call. Even if we start with just 1 of these points, it would be nice!

 

[Giuliano]

I'd like this, but as a mod.

 

[Sarkis.]

If you like vote Yes
If you don't like vote No

There is a reason I wrote ''Tripwire willing''

If Tripwire was willing to do it, you guys would seriously back down?

REALLY !?

 

[Cyper]

I'd like this, but as a mod.

Why just as a mod?

 

[Giuliano]

There are 3 modes already. Another mode will just make things even more muddled than they already are. For this mode to be added to the game, it will need a crapload of support, not just from the forum dwellers but all the people playing the game. Even then, I just don't see TWI adding another mode or removing several modes completely or making huge changes to something that a large group of people are enjoying. As much as I like the idea of a true authentic mode, it would probably be better as its own separate mod away from the game.

 

[Sarkis.]

There are 3 modes already.

Action has no more than 15 players killing bots at any given time

Classic is more OK, with generally 30 players and at given times it fills a server, accounting to a total of no more than some 60 players

Realism has everyone else. Generally 200 to 400 players.

So I'd say we have at least 2 real modes as of right now. Both of them seriously flawed. But only one of them practically completely unappealing to the majority.

Another mode will just make things even more muddled than they already are. For this mode to be added to the game, it will need a crapload of support, not just from the forum dwellers but all the people playing the game.

I like to see a new mode as a grown up decision to move the game forward in a better path, a path the Red Orchestra series should not have strayed much from, but did. The support for more realism/authenticity has been there at all times. Here in the forums, in game, and outside.

I made this thread as answer for that call.

Even then, I just don't see TWI adding another mode or removing several modes completely or making huge changes to something that a large group of people are enjoying.

The thread and the poll are not about what we think TWI will do, is about what we think should be done. Nothing would have to change or removed. Many things would be added. As was Action Mode added without interfering with no one's experience.

As much as I like the idea of a true authentic mode, it would probably be better as its own separate mod away from the game.

If that is what you think, you should have voted Yes, because there will be no separate mod. Or at least we can't count on there ever being one.

The truth is: Many of the suggestions presented and discussed and agreed upon in this thread are how the game should have been in the first place.

I've been trying really hard to bring back what RO was strongest at, that for me was being a game that strived for historical authenticity and ignored the nuances of mainstream arcade shooters. That was a potent mix that got hampered by unperfected mechanics, gameplay decisions and mostly outdated graphics.

People were greatly exited for the release of Red Orchestra 2, for that very reason. That rare elixir, so hard to find in current day gaming. Their expectations were hardly met, and most people simply gave up.

I don't care for people saying that the community will not take another divide since players numbers are low. I'm trying to help RO2 bring people back! Hundreds of them.

Unlocks ain't gonna do that. Classic ain't gonna do that. There will be no Darkest Hour 2, our hopes lie in the yet not short to arrive Rising Storm and In Country mods, but who knows which path they will choose to go.

I'm looking forward for the mods with great expectation and hope. But, again, this is about RO2, and how it greatly disappointed so many people and fans but at the same time has an enormous potential to make things right again, bring back many of those who left and make many more new fans.

 

[Nezzer]

I agree. I'd bet this mode would at least have more players than Action. If TWI were willing to make it, then why the hell not?

 

[Cwivey]

Voted yes 'cause I'd want to see how it plays out. Don't mind if mod / official release.

 

[Sarkis.]

I agree. I'd bet this mode would at least have more players than Action. If TWI were willing to make it, then why the hell not?

More players than Action!?
Why don't you just %@#!^&%

This mode would have more players than Red Orchestra 2 could ever dream. If only TWI took it with wholeheartedly, invested time and care.

Sure, we can add maps, campaing etc, and that's great! But that doesn't change the arcade gameplay. We can add vehicles and still have to suffer with spawn on Squad Leader. Or add more tanks and still suffer from lack of authentic tank battles. Adding an amazing MG42 will not make controlled breath, that makes sway stop, cease to exist, nor it will make people less able to rambo the **** out out of it.

Voted yes 'cause I'd want to see how it plays out. Don't mind if mod / official release.

That's the spirit! But people that don't want an Authentic Mode no matter if blue or red should vote their will. We don't want to deliver a game mode for only some tens of players.

 

[PhoenixDragon]

This mode would have more players than Red Orchestra 2 could ever dream. If only TWI took it with wholeheartedly, invested time and care.

This is the exact same claim made by the proponents of Classic mode before it launched.

I bet this one would turn out just as true.

 

[Nezzer]

More players than Action!?
Why don't you just %@#!^&%

This mode would have more players than Red Orchestra 2 could ever dream. If only TWI took it with wholeheartedly, invested time and care.

Sure, we can add maps, campaing etc, and that's great! But that doesn't change the arcade gameplay. We can add vehicles and still have to suffer with spawn on Squad Leader. Or add more tanks and still suffer from lack of authentic tank battles. Adding an amazing MG42 will not make controlled breath, that makes sway stop, cease to exist, nor it will make people less able to rambo the **** out out of it.



That's the spirit! But people that don't want an Authentic Mode no matter if blue or red should vote their will. We don't want to deliver a game mode for only some tens of players.

Yeah, you know how deppressing I am

This is the exact same claim made by the proponents of Classic mode before it launched.

I bet this one would turn out just as true.

Yes it is, but Classic was done in a half-assed manner, like I said in another thread. It didn't work because it was adapted from Realism and not built form scratch. It's like porting a console game to PC. So it wasn't really what the people urging for it wanted.

 

[Sarkis.]

This is the exact same claim made by the proponents of Classic mode before it launched.

I bet this one would turn out just as true.

I don't think so. The proponents of Classic, and I was probably among them, even though was not participant in the forums, wanted and believed Classic would come to change the gameplay to a more realistic setting. Classic din't do that fully, classic took too many steps backwards.

And now what is left of Classic proponents, because only a handful of people are anymore, will fight tooth and nail so that Classic takes more steps to bring it closer to RO1, while at the same time Realism mode proponents will never be done with unlocks, and the whole progression system.

So the authenticity and realism, that people want, is left unchecked.

That's what I feel and what most of the Brazilian RO community and the people that I know that own the game think.

Of course I don't have a crystal ball so I can't claim to know what will happen. What I can say is that people want more realism. You know that.

 

[Proud_God]

This is the exact same claim made by the proponents of Classic mode before it launched.

I bet this one would turn out just as true.

Imo, TWI misread the demands of the community with their Classic mode. If they'd truly listened, the new mode would have been a lot more like the one described in this thread. Remember, it is largely a compilation of existing ideas.

 

[Sarkis.]

Imo, TWI misread the demands of the community with their Classic mode. If they'd truly listened, the new mode would have been a lot more like the one described in this thread. Remember, it is largely a compilation of existing ideas.

Yes. The communities calls for more realism/authenticity were answered by not changing anything in Realism Mode, and with the Introduction of Classic Mode.

And last I heard, Classic mode is neither realistic or authentic. It has it's good design decisions and some mechanics that feel more realistic. I will give it that.
And I had high hopes that we could improve Classic to a point that there would not need to be a mode solely for realism.

However that thread about Anti Tank Rifle Zoom has made it clear once and for all that Classic folk will never accept a more realistic Classic mode. They wan't it arcade.

Either because they have a twisted, ignorant view of realism. Or because they simply wanted the good old RO1 nostalgia feel. And to be fair, not all the people who wanted the feel of RO1 are OK with the awful design decisions currently in Classic.

Classic Mode is arcade, Realism Mode is arcade, Action Mode is arcade

Authentic is the only mode that is not arcade!

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I disagree. I think if they listened, it would be the best of what is now Realism and Classic (too lengthy to get into details), without the *Hero Weapons which are still in Classic and a Huge problem to those that wanted Classic or a better Realism mode.

This Authentic mode, while it does have some great ideas, has others that just.... well, I have stated my opinions before


* as can be told by the almost complete absence of discussion about them when they were once one of the biggest topics. Those players either gave up about them in the forums or gave up the game and Classic.