Gun Control in the Socialist Republic of Kahlifornia

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Mikhail Kalashnikov

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The Soup Nazi said:
Actually I see myself as VERY patriotic. I know a guy who is a police officer, while he is a good guy, there are some very corrupt officers out there, but then there are very good people on the force as well. And I don't hate the military. Infact, I plan on joining ROTC in college and serving a 6 year commission as an officer. Thats how much I love this country, that I'm willing to devote my life in its service while putting my life on the line. I think enabling a country's citizens to defend themselves is very important. But its also very important to have the strongest official army in the world. "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." And I'm the Soup Nazi because it was on Seinfeld, it was one of the most famous Seinfeld episodes.

http://www.luminpro.com/darryl/sein/Seinfeld%20-%20116%20-%20The%20Soup%20Nazi.mpg
dude that was a very funny episode on seinfeld, but i do think that that soup nazi IS after all, quite unamerican.lol
 

The Soup Nazi

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You know what....No soup for you! Next!

But really, my friends know I'm always telling Soviet Russia Jokes, if the oppertunity presents itself, I'll parody or imitate facist/nazi leaders, but really, I have a deep love for this country. I would fight just as hard as our armed service to fight facism or socialism if it tried to manifest itself in this country.
 

Mikhail Kalashnikov

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The Soup Nazi said:
You know what....No soup for you! Next!

But really, my friends know I'm always telling Soviet Russia Jokes, if the oppertunity presents itself, I'll parody or imitate facist/nazi leaders, but really, I have a deep love for this country. I would fight just as hard as our armed service to fight facism or socialism if it tried to manifest itself in this country.

socialism too? lol i don't like socialism either, i prefer communism!
 

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Mikhail Kalashnikov said:
i take it you have something against cops? your comments begs the question of:whats next, are you gonna hate the military as well? i dont want you to hear that from me though, because i sincerely am not trying to label you as unpatriotic,soup nazi(though soupnazis by definition are unamerican, hehe)

Who are you responding too? A quote might help here.

If it was me, I will respond like this: First of all, I was in the military. Were you?
Second of all, you need to watch the Penn & Teller movie link I put up to see what we are talking about.

It's all about the 2nd Amendment and what it was designed to accomplish. Has nothing to do with hate, love or any other emotion.
 

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Switchblade said:
I live in a country were owning a gun is not allowed, even possesion of an airsoftgun is strictly forbidden.

Our capital city Amsterdam (also known to be the drugs capitalcity of the world by most Americans ;) and most of the time in foreign press mentioned as one of the most dangerous city's in the world) was in the news earlier this week, so far this year there were 4 gun related homicides there.
Now how many american citys have a record like that?

So the argument that only criminals and the gouverment have guns and that the civilians are in danger is bs.
sure most big (organized crime) criminals have guns, but they only use it to kill each other and nobody really cares about that.

If you want to live in a society where everybody carry guns just because they are afraid that the other will use them on you be my guest, I am very happy I live in a country with strict gun rules, I don't need a gun and I don't feel threatened :)
And I also do not feel the need to go hunting with a full automatic etc.
(is very hard to do here anyway since we have the highest population per square mile in the world (and still don't feel the need to shoot eachother ;))so what there is no room to hunt anyway)

Well you are making broad assumptions here. :mad:

FYI: It's not about being afraid.

It's about piece of mind. If you put all your faith in somebody elses hands then so be it.

IOW: "Those who trade liberty for security have neither."

Again, you Dissarmed Euro types need to watch the movie link I gave you. It will explain it too you very a effective way.
 

Mikhail Kalashnikov

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GonzoX said:
Who are you responding too? A quote might help here.

If it was me, I will respond like this: First of all, I was in the military. Were you?
Second of all, you need to watch the Penn & Teller movie link I put up to see what we are talking about.

It's all about the 2nd Amendment and what it was designed to accomplish. Has nothing to do with hate, love or any other emotion.

as you can see from the very quote that you quoted, i was talking to SOUP NAZI. he responded to what i asked as well, in case you didn't notice
 

The Soup Nazi

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And guess what, they took off the Penn and Teller Gun Control Bullshit video from google video, but NOT the ones about religion. Thats censorship at its finest, seems a bit too conveniant. I do hope someone will repost that where the political interests of others won't prevent people from seeing a different view.
 

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GonzoX said:
Well you are making broad assumptions here. :mad:

FYI: It's not about being afraid.

It's about piece of mind. If you put all your faith in somebody elses hands then so be it.

IOW: "Those who trade liberty for security have neither."

Again, you Dissarmed Euro types need to watch the movie link I gave you. It will explain it too you very a effective way.
My mind is very much at peace here.
The fact that you need a gun to set your mind at peace tells a lot about the society you live in.

In 43 years living in and around Amsterdam I never felt the need to arm myself. you see in a "gunfree" society the criminals in 95% of the cases are not carying a gun either, and if they do they hardly ever need to use it since nobody is shooting at them.

This does not mean I have to put all my faith in somebody elses hands, I feel sorry for the guy to break in my house if I am at home, but I don't need a gun to handle him.

speaking about burglary

In this country the risk of a burglar entering your house when you are not at home is not so very big if you take normal home pretection measures ( like locking your doors) , the change of a burglary when you are at home are much slimmer and you will probably not notice it till the next morning and the change that you will come face to face with a burglar carying a gun is allmost neglectable.

The same goes for walking the streets at night, I lived near one of the most notorious places in Amsterdam, the zeedijk for insiders, but I never took a detour to avoid walking there. and in all these years I saw a lot of criminals and a lot of crimes, but never a gun.

The "right to bear arms" results in a downward spiral since everybody is able to buy a gun and will use it before the other does ( because they know there is a 90% change the other will have a gun too).
To hang on to that "right" only brought you were you are now. needing a gun to set your peace of mind.

"You shall reap what you saw"
 

The Soup Nazi

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Oh yeah? My house was robbed. Fortunately me or my parents or brother weren't home because there might've been a violent confrontation. (This is before my dad bought his first pistol). But you know why my neighborhood has been targetted the most? Because we have the fortunate of living in a gun free zone, yes, the school is less than the distance of a single track lap (4 laps=1 mile) from my house, so the crap that everyone living in the 1000 foot radius has to deal with discourages gun ownership. We're not even legally allowed to walk to our cars to store unloaded firearms in the trunks of cars or locked containers if they're on the street of OUR OWN HOUSES.

People have killed other people before guns were invented, the same goes with petty theft. If criminals have guns, why do they legally get an advantage over us? Their "profession" involves hurting the lives of others to push themselves forward, we shouldn't be making their jobs easier, we should make them afraid. If EVERYONE was given a gun, then the criminal would be scared to commit a crime because of the life threatening situation for them. If HALF of the law abiding population was given a gun, the criminal would have to consider that he has a 1/2 chance of encountering someone with a gun. Those are still very discouraging odds. The fact that it would be legal to possess a firearm already deters droves of criminals.
 

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Switchblade said:
My mind is very much at peace here.
The fact that you need a gun to set your mind at peace tells a lot about the society you live in.

In 43 years living in and around Amsterdam I never felt the need to arm myself. you see in a "gunfree" society the criminals in 95% of the cases are not carying a gun either, and if they do they hardly ever need to use it since nobody is shooting at them.

This does not mean I have to put all my faith in somebody elses hands, I feel sorry for the guy to break in my house if I am at home, but I don't need a gun to handle him.

speaking about burglary

In this country the risk of a burglar entering your house when you are not at home is not so very big if you take normal home pretection measures ( like locking your doors) , the change of a burglary when you are at home are much slimmer and you will probably not notice it till the next morning and the change that you will come face to face with a burglar carying a gun is allmost neglectable.

The same goes for walking the streets at night, I lived near one of the most notorious places in Amsterdam, the zeedijk for insiders, but I never took a detour to avoid walking there. and in all these years I saw a lot of criminals and a lot of crimes, but never a gun.

The "right to bear arms" results in a downward spiral since everybody is able to buy a gun and will use it before the other does ( because they know there is a 90% change the other will have a gun too).
To hang on to that "right" only brought you were you are now. needing a gun to set your peace of mind.

"You shall reap what you saw"

Hmmm...

Did you even BOTHER to watch the video? Or did the message just whoosh right over your head?

So being unarmed and, being forced to be unarmed by the Government that controls you brings you piece of mind?

Wow what a concept. Glad I don't live there. I prefer NOT to be castrated.

And choosing to be armed here does not reflect our society. You are making ASSumptions again. It is simply a choice we have that you Dont have and some of us excersize it. But I guess THAT is what really bothers you the most right?
 

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Switchblade said:
The "right to bear arms" results in a downward spiral since everybody is able to buy a gun and will use it before the other does ( because they know there is a 90% change the other will have a gun too).
To hang on to that "right" only brought you were you are now. needing a gun to set your peace of mind.

"You shall reap what you saw"

Reap what exaclty...freedom maybe?

I'm Curios. Did the Netherlands have "gun control" when it was invaded by the Nazis?

And if gun ownership freedom leads to a "downward spiral". Why have we survived all these years?

And it was this "right to bear arms" society that saved your unarmed asses in WWII. Or do I need to remind you of that fact?

You are like the typical liberal that thinks that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting and home defense. That is not at all what it is for and what it is about. Simply put:

"The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision... for ... where all other rights have failed.... However improbable these contingencies may seem.., facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

IOW, it is not out of OUR fear that we own guns it is simply our right to own them under our Constitution. The purpose is to put fear into the polititions to remind them who they work for and to keep the honest.

It is the fact that we can own firearms that we can live without fear. I find it ironic and illogical that you feel more secure knowing that your own Goverment has taken that right away from you.:rolleyes:

But whatever floats your boat I guess.
I would not expect a European to understand.
 

Switchblade

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lol you are funny

just keep killing each other in your free society ;)

I'm out of here, to many paranoid people in this thread :D
 

Mikhail Kalashnikov

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GonzoX said:
Reap what exaclty...freedom maybe?

I'm Curios. Did the Netherlands have "gun control" when it was invaded by the Nazis?

And if gun ownership freedom leads to a "downward spiral". Why have we survived all these years?

And it was this "right to bear arms" society that saved your unarmed asses in WWII. Or do I need to remind you of that fact?

You are like the typical liberal that thinks that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting and home defense. That is not at all what it is for and what it is about. Simply put:

"The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision... for ... where all other rights have failed.... However improbable these contingencies may seem.., facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

IOW, it is not out of OUR fear that we own guns it is simply our right to own them under our Constitution. The purpose is to put fear into the polititions to remind them who they work for and to keep the honest.

It is the fact that we can own firearms that we can live without fear. I find it ironic and illogical that you feel more secure knowing that your own Goverment has taken that right away from you.:rolleyes:

But whatever floats your boat I guess.
I would not expect a European to understand.

hmmm, i always thought of the right to bear arms as something revolutionary, something against establishment, as, if you are armed, you can tear down the establishment, and with it the status quo.
i think it a conservative idea to keep guns away from the people, and to leave everything in the hands of the government and the bourgoisie. really, isn't the right to bear arms something that can lead to a revolutionary path, and thus a "liberal" path?
just trying to get you thinking, my friend.
 

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Wow what a concept. Glad I don't live there. I prefer NOT to be castrated.
I actually didn't want to post in this thread anymore, as it obviously leads to nothing...

Still, this one sentence made me laugh out loud. I know a little about Sigmund Freud and his theories, and... er... well, how to put it? To us, who don't see the need to own guns, people who tend to be fanatical about owning guns, especially BIG guns, seem to have to compensate for a certian...male insecurity... you know, just like driving a sportscar, and so on ;)

So, this rather direct connection between a gun and a phallus uttered by a gun owner struck me as terribly funny :D

Well then, carry on!

EDIT: and I do think that if nowadays, people who'd take up their weapons and "fight for their freedom" will most likely end up finding themelves in a small military base at the coast of cuba... if they'd survive the uprising per se.
 

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GonzoX said:
So being unarmed and, being forced to be unarmed by the Government that controls you brings you piece of mind?
No, that is where you are wrong. I can get a gun here legally if I want to. But unlike you guys I don't need it because I don't feel insecure and I don't live in a bad area.
 

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See, the thing about sports cars. Having a sports car is a lot more socialy acceptable way of picking up chicks than taking my pants off in public.

And incase evereybody hasnt figured it out yet, the only thing that the goverment wants is power.
 

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Ok, so I'm lazy, but I just found this, and living in the PRK myself, I have to agree with the topic starter on most points.

No, not everybody should be allowed to own a firearm (mentally ill people, people with a felony on their record), however the 2nd amendment is there for a reason. It's there so that we can protect our basic freedoms for ourselves.

Having said that, I try to educate the people I meet out here about guns. They seem to think that anybody who owns firearms, especially an enthusiast, is a nut who'll kill someone eventually.

Having said that, I own an M1 Carbine my father is watching over for me (wasn't sure where it stood on the ban when I moved here), and I'm planning on making a trip to import it to CA myself... including the illegal 15 round magazine.

I have to go out and get it for myself (all the way to St. Louis), or not only no real magazine, but I would have to go through the waiting period and registration fee, etc., and do all of this through an FFL (would have to be shipped to one anyway - Federal law) even though I already own this gun. The silly thing about the registration thing is that even here, the law doesn't require a registration for long guns (rifles, shotguns), but it does require that you go through an FFL and have the sale recorded by the State, at which point the records are destroyed (giant loophole that allows you to sell and trade your own long guns without worrying about getting your door knocked down. Also really damn inefficient - ineffieciency being the hallmark of the government in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.)
 

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Taking a neutral stance for a minute...

"People who want guns just have small dicks"
"I want my gun because I don't want to be castrated by the gov't"

As much as I like the Freud quote "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity", going around slandering each other as pansies and/or machismo-riddled buffoons really doesn't forward intelligent conversation on the subject.

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Back to being pro-gun.

In CONTEXT, Gonzo's statement "I'd rather not be castrated" makes a lot of sense beyond the "guns are phallic symbols" meaning—the US has had more than enough incidents in which government disarmament of us peons has led to some extremely negative consequences (for us peons). Same goes for the rest of the world, really. Europe seems to be an exception, although one has to wonder how much longer it'll last with the increasing tide of illegal immigrations and the lack of political backbone on the part of national leaders. Same goes for the US, but at least if the illegals get TOO uppity, there will be bloodshed instead of en masse lubing up of assholes .
 
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Mikhail Kalashnikov said:
hmmm, i always thought of the right to bear arms as something revolutionary, something against establishment, as, if you are armed, you can tear down the establishment, and with it the status quo.
i think it a conservative idea to keep guns away from the people, and to leave everything in the hands of the government and the bourgoisie. really, isn't the right to bear arms something that can lead to a revolutionary path, and thus a "liberal" path?
just trying to get you thinking, my friend.

You are exactly correct. The 2nd Amendment is there to remind our Government that "We The People" have the power to "teard down the establishment".

That IS it's intended purpose. Our forefathers understood that we needed Arms to remain free and keep any would-be tyrant from gaining too much control.

Here in the U.S. you are considered a conservative if you want to "conserve" the 2nd Amendment. The term "liberal" actually means something completely different here than it does in Europe so many Europeans seem to be confused about our Liberals vs their Liberals.

To sum it up, Liberals here are not about Liberty at all.

Liberals in the U.S. are evil beings that want to sell out our country and destroy our freedom loving Constitution one piece at a time. :D That pretty much sums it up. However, do not cunfuse liberals with the new Libertarian Party. That's a whole different issue for a later thread.

I am however Glad to see that somebody here besides a few of us Americans understand the concept and meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

At least not all European nations have given in to political correctness and dissarmed their citizens. Switzerland and Finland being the main roll model.
Any other ones?
 

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[-project.rattus-] said:
I actually didn't want to post in this thread anymore, as it obviously leads to nothing...

Still, this one sentence made me laugh out loud. I know a little about Sigmund Freud and his theories, and... er... well, how to put it? To us, who don't see the need to own guns, people who tend to be fanatical about owning guns, especially BIG guns, seem to have to compensate for a certian...male insecurity... you know, just like driving a sportscar, and so on ;)

So, this rather direct connection between a gun and a phallus uttered by a gun owner struck me as terribly funny :D

Well then, carry on!

EDIT: and I do think that if nowadays, people who'd take up their weapons and "fight for their freedom" will most likely end up finding themelves in a small military base at the coast of cuba... if they'd survive the uprising per se.

So by your analogy...

Since you don't own guns you don't have a..... :eek:

Nevermind.

I was wondering when the cheap shots were going to come my way. :rolleyes: