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Tomcat_ha

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You might want to wait for the nividia 9800. Its supposed to be twice as powerful as the 8800GTX and about the same price. I've heard that its coming out in November (this month), but thats all rumors.

No only new 8800gts are coming out in early december with possibly new nvidia cards again early next year but that is just unconfirmed. The new ati's are also quite interesting.

Also the new intel's will make those already out even cheaper.
 

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Does anyone have the 8800GT yet? I am building a new system and am contemplating using two of them.

Of course, I have read about the small fan and possible heat issues, and possible SLI issues in VISTA, but would like to hear from others that may have an 8800GT or two

Thanks :)
 

spraduke

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My mate bought and installed one over the weekend. The card is more or less the same length as other 8800's but is only 1 slot design now. We were playing in a very hot room at a LAN (and i mean cooking) and he had no heat issues. The card runs like a dream (Asus version)

Defo the best value for money card out there atm. However i hear rumours that the new ati 3800 series will be more or less the same performance for a lot less so it might pay to hold off for another few weeks to get the benchmarks.
 

Tomcat_ha

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Well so far the hd3800 seems to be weaker but is very silent, only needs a hamster to run and has fancy new features. The 8800gt is just faster.
 

spraduke

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yeah the 3800 also supports dx 10.1 which helps to make dx10 much better so might be worth the slight performance drop for the future proofing (most games will be dx10.1 in the near future)
 

Tomcat_ha

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yeah the 3800 also supports dx 10.1 which helps to make dx10 much better so might be worth the slight performance drop for the future proofing (most games will be dx10.1 in the near future)

One could argue that by the time dx10.1 games are common that the hd3870 will not be powerfull enough anymore to begin with.

So far im looking at a evga ssc 8800gt myself.
 

CptnPutPut

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Im not to sure really, i would of prefered to jack this thing up to work but that's looking impossible.

I'd say i could prob do
 

CptnPutPut

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I want a system powerfull enought for games like Crysis and Call Of Jurez etc, i dont want it like 50 years future proof after setting me back 5k lol ,

just a good system for gaming and porn lol, without spending tons, looking at about
 

Sgt.Rock

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Well, If you get essentially the rig I'm running right now, then your looking at about "974.61 USD"

I'm able to run everything out there so far at reasonable graphics (crysis at medium, highest texture, low post).


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131568R

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102037R

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103584

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227210

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104015

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133021

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185038

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999344


The opteron will OC to about 3.2 (its dualcore) with the right cooling (vapochill or peltier), I'm running mine at 2.6 on air (Though I have a 170, still dualcore).

X1900xtx can run AA and HDR at the same time.

I would suggest getting the armor case, it has massive amounts of room for modding, and a backboard so you can run your wires behind your mobo. The HDs are also placed by the PSU so that you get fresh cold air into your rig through the front. Infact, I'm going to mod my case soon so I can fit a Vornado fan on the front of the case (small one) and make it look like a jet intake.

The Heatsink (and fan) are essentially for OC or keeping your temperatures nice and low. Although you could get a better Heatsink (like a Thermalright ultra 120 extreme), I use a Ninja and that fan combo and I get temps of 29C idle and 34C max load. If you go with a better Heatsink, use the suggested fan, It moves the most air out of all the 120mm's.



If you want a bleeding-edge computer, off the top of my head, It should run you anywhere from 1600-2000 USD. Though there are some things you can change in my suggested rig and be around the 1200 area. (Mid-post edit, wow 800 pounds is alot of money USD, I didnt realize the exchange rate is so much).


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227178

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131073

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148278

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148151

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104041

That quad core I've hear OC pretty well (up to 3.0 with proper cooling, and sometimes not proper cooling). Multiple cores are starting to get supported alot more now (crysis, alan wake), so you may want to invest in one over a dual core. Of coarse youll need a good mobo to go with it. Since I have an Asus, im a little biased, I think the BIOS offers a whole lot, and it seems very stable. Mobo discussions are very hard, since its so far ranging.

As for the HD's, 1TB gives you a whole lot of room for all that porn (and maybe some games as well). Running the two 500gb's in a Raid configuration would make it faster, but it might just be easier for you to just get 1TB'er.

As for the PSU, 1000W might not be needed (700W may be enough), but more power than you could possibly need never hurts.

Your around 1310.91 with all that new stuff, which just leaves you with a graphics card choice, which will run you between around 200 to 600 USD, which puts you under to above your preferred budget, depending on your choice. Also, be sure to look at derivitaves of the products (may be cheaper), like OEM's, and the Armor case without the 25cm side fan and such. Really, just do a little research, in order to make the best decision with the information at hand.


http://www.ocforums.com/ This forum is really good for anything computer related. They critique any proposed build to make it fit you better, or just make it better in general.


Edit-- Ack, forgot DVD drives. They can be really cheap (price wise), but check into brands a little before you decide, certain brands have certain reps. Make sure you get what you need though: single-layber vs double-layer vs blu-ray vs HD-dvd.
 
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CptnPutPut

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Would that clocked 3ghz chip work with the motherboard you showed me,

looks like im gonna build my very own gaming/sex bot..

lovely stuff.
 

Dcode

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Was your post in reply to mine?

If it was then then chip will work with the motherboard i showed you. The chip is the E6850.

If you do buy the board i advise you flash it to the latest BIOS. It is available here. Just burn the .ISO file to a cd and boot from it or download the .exe and run it from within Windows. The board works fine at stock, but the updated BIOS irons out some niggles & lets you tweak memory timings.
 

Sgt.Rock

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If its to mine, then yes as well. Though I have a few words of caution.


The q6600 has a locked multiplier, meaning that you can only raise the FSB (front side bus). Normally the clock on your CPU reads something like 266x9 (2.4 ghz, starting clock of the quad core). From there you would either raise it to 333x9 or 300x10 or even (if it allows it) 272x11, but since that multiplier is locked, the only way to OC the quad core is 333x9 (to hit 3.0ghz, of coarse you can go higher though).

Apparently, the Kentsfield core of the quad cores arent to particularly fond of this, nor is your motherboard (raising your FSB also raises the timings of your RAM). So, if quad core is your decision (dont be afraid of horror stories), just find a Motherboard that is under consensus to be the best fit with the q6600 for OCing.


From what Ive found, Tom's hardware was able to hit 3.0 and be stable with this board (as well as some others).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131182

people have had some successes with this board

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050

bit tech used this board and the p5k to OC the q6600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141003&Tpk=XFX%2b680i


Just remember to do a little sniffin around, check out peoples experience's and hit the main websites to see what they say. Heres some good articles to look at.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/651-1/intel-core-2-quad-q6600.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/07/25/overclocking_intel_core_2_quad_q6600/3


Edit - The Asus P5k seems to be the best motherboard of all my suggestions, at least thats what I can make out.
 
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Tomcat_ha

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Okay the specs of the new gts are available now. It will be faster than the 8800gt but how much and is it worth it?

Also now non stock designs are appearing with different coolers, ram and whatever. Personally im still waiting. :p
 

Aeneas2020

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well i'm running an 8800GTX 768mb...it's a best but man does it suck down power and cause some heat. Also be very aware if you want to SLI this card the fan on it is huge. There is no way i could SLI it on my mobo because the car is so wide it actually overhangs my 2nd PCI express slot :S. LOL, still a great card but i'd recommend a PSU of at least 650watts for it and a big case with plenty of cooling.
 

SiFi

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I've got a pair of GTS 8800 640 meg cards in my machine. The first time I started up my diagnostic software I was horrified to see them running in the high 70s (celcius), and my CPU in the high 40's. However, the factory standard warning levels are 135 for the cards and 90 for the CPU, and I haven't seen them move more than a few degrees higher than their normal levels, even running the bioshock demo. Of course, I also got factory overclocked cards. Also, I run Folding@home pretty much constantly, so there's a heat boost on the CPU right there.