Going Rambo with the M60 machine gun

[Jackett]

The M60 should be able to be fired from the shoulder in game. It's not like you even need steroids to do it.

proofz

You can, and as you might expect it kicks like a mule.

 

[aboveplebs]

Except accuracy would be terrible as displayed there, and can be seen when he's firing. The video looks to have a variation just from barrel direction of about 5, if not ten degrees. Lets do a little math here, let's assume that the barrel is off center of the target by 5 degrees. Lets say the engagement range is 20m, so roughly 2m (1.75) off of target. Keep in mind this is one plane, at 20 Meters . In other words your more than likely miss your target because of the recoil of the previous bullet.

So? The point is to suppress the enemy anyway.

 

[FireBall1]

You can walk the rounds onto your target.

 

[Fred5612]

Will you be able to retract/unfold the bipod on weapons like the M60 and RPD?

 

[Beskar Mando]

So? The point is to suppress the enemy anyway.

Except you wouldn't be hitting near enough to suppress them. A projectile doesn't create suppression to the degree you'd think with it being that "close". 2M is still too far away to have any visible or sudden suppressive effects unless its a 75mm shell hitting 2M away.
Unless they redid the suppression mechanics, I don't see it being something used as one is charging the enemy, rather a lass ditch effort.

 

[kapulA]

@ the original argument of the M60 being "designed for hip-fire use"

Imo it's just silly to promote such behaviour via game mechanics - just because it CAN be used like that (same goes for the Bren, which has been mentioned as another "example") doesn't mean that troops were actually trained to use it primarily in that way - you have a squad of approx. 10 men, 1 or 2 max LMGs, hence a valuable asset for support/suppressive fire, and as such pretty far-fetched to imagine it was REGULARLY used to storm trenches/buildings/whatever, instead of covering the assault element etc.
Sure, you might see it as a last resort or against a severly weakened/demoralized enemy, but I don't see running with an MG at someone who's wielding something more controllable and easier to aim while standing as a particularly good recipe for anything other then getting a nice serving of lead...

 

[FireBall1]

In Nam a marine carrying the m60 would walk on-line with the riflemen as they swept thru an area. Due to the thick foliage it was pointless to leave the m60
behind as the gunner would not be able to see anything.

 

[Jagdwyre]

In Nam a marine carrying the m60 would walk on-line with the riflemen as they swept thru an area. Due to the thick foliage it was pointless to leave the m60
behind as the gunner would not be able to see anything.

And I suspect if they actually encountered any sizable enemy force they wouldn't just sit there hipfiring that M60. They'd immediately get down and find a better position to return fire.
There's that old saying that the machinegunner is the first to die in a firefight, it would be a pretty bad idea to make a high priority target for the enemy to be any easier to kill.

Should it be possible to "reasonably" fire an M60 unsupported? Of course, but the M60 is a GPMG, it is NOT an automatic rifle or an assault rifle. There's also a difference between a machine gunner keeping up with his buddies in an assault and literally using that gun like some automatic rifle. They don't make LMG's and GPMG's handier to pretend they're battle rifles.

Vietnam also featured people just full auto spraying M16's into the jungle and blind firing over cover. That doesn't mean it was a particularly good idea or was particularly effective.

 

[Magpuller]

You can, and as you might expect it kicks like a mule.

That's what I like to hear.

'Merica! :IS2: