Going Rambo with the M60 machine gun

[FireBall1]

The M60 machine gun was made to be used in the assault. Hence the hand guards and in real life a sling went over the shoulder of the gunner enabling him to carry it at waist level.

considering the complaints about mg42 Rambos will we see this in the game.

 

[Frostedfire]

from watching the pax footage they have the fixed rambo like what is currently in ro2, and it's about as effective as ramboing with the 30 cal in rising storm

 

[Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann]

Or what is, in my opinion, a more memorable scene - Animal Mother's Charge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QfhV1jCRRQ

 

[FireBall1]

great clip.

that's exactly what I am talking about. Unlike the other mgs the the M60 is made to be used in the assault

 

[Lemonater47]

M60 was based off the FG42 which is an automatic rifle design rather than a traditional LMG. The americans in 1944 made a belt fed FG42. Essentially went from there with the M60. Incorporating many features from various weapons after seeing how successful the bren gun was as a walking LMG. The M60 became a very mobile and multi purpose Light machine gun.

 

[PinguThePenguin]

M60 was based off the FG42 which is an automatic rifle design rather than a traditional LMG. The americans in 1944 made a belt fed FG42. Essentially went from there with the M60. Incorporating many features from various weapons after seeing how successful the bren gun was as a walking LMG. The M60 became a very mobile and multi purpose Light machine gun.

The prototype (belt-fed FG-42) was called the T-44 if I recall correctly.

 

[Lemonater47]

Also note the MG42 style belt.

 

[SeptemberSnow]

M60 was based off the FG42 which is an automatic rifle design rather than a traditional LMG. The americans in 1944 made a belt fed FG42. Essentially went from there with the M60. Incorporating many features from various weapons after seeing how successful the bren gun was as a walking LMG. The M60 became a very mobile and multi purpose Light machine gun.

10 kg (24 lbs) without ammo
high recoil
didn't get standard issue 100 rounds ammo box when enter service in vietnam
soldiers must carry ammo belt around their neck or shoulder

image a big guy walking with ammo belt on his shoulder , big *** machinegun , spray and pray (bullet mostly killing bird and tree) , muzzle flash light up like christmas tree right infront your gun sight
easiest target ever

 

[Lemonater47]

"High recoil you say." Based on what lol. Had more controllable recoil than an FG42.

Same weight as a bren gun. That extra weight behind it already means it's gonna have less recoik. Designed so it could be fired from the shoulder. Pretty much designed to be a highly mobile LMG.

 

[Jagdwyre]

10 kg (24 lbs) without ammo
high recoil
didn't get standard issue 100 rounds ammo box when enter service in vietnam
soldiers must carry ammo belt around their neck or shoulder

image a big guy walking with ammo belt on his shoulder , big *** machinegun , spray and pray (bullet mostly killing bird and tree) , muzzle flash light up like christmas tree right infront your gun sight
easiest target ever

Most LMG's and GPMG's don't have that much recoil, because how much those weapons tend to weight compared to a standard issue rifle.

The biggest reason weight on those guns matter isn't because they can't be used "like rambo" in combat, they can. It matters because the 90% of time you are NOT in combat you have to lug that thing around, everywhere.

I'm also pretty sure this game isn't trying to focus on the beginning of Vietnam, so what the M60 didn't start with at the beginning of the war doesn't really matter that much. Note how the game features the M16A1, compete with a forward assist. The First M16's in Vietnam didn't have that.

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

"High recoil you say." Based on what lol. Had more controllable recoil than an FG42.

Same weight as a bren gun. That extra weight behind it already means it's gonna have less recoik. Designed so it could be fired from the shoulder. Pretty much designed to be a highly mobile LMG.

The FG42 has a remarkably low recoil thanks to its complex muzzle brake and inline stock with an internal buffer.

The only thing the M60 has going for it in comparison is weight.

 

[Lemonater47]

The FG42 has a remarkably low recoil thanks to its complex muzzle brake and inline stock with an internal buffer.

The only thing the M60 has going for it in comparison is weight.

With 900rpm at half the weight?

I don't think so Lol. Then again. I think everyone saying "recoil" really means "full auto controllability". Shot for shot the FG42 probably does have lower recoil.

 

[Jagdwyre]

With 900rpm at half the weight?

I don't think so Lol. Then again. I think everyone saying "recoil" really means "full auto controllability". Shot for shot the FG42 probably does have lower recoil.

The later version of the FG42 had around 750 RPM. But I also think you're right, recoil and full auto controlability are definitely two different things. People shouldn't considering them the same thing.

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

With 900rpm at half the weight?

I don't think so Lol. Then again. I think everyone saying "recoil" really means "full auto controllability". Shot for shot the FG42 probably does have lower recoil.

Version 2 fired at 750 rpm though, and I was refering to shot for shot recoil of course.

In terms of full auto controllability a higher weight & lower cyclic rate always helps a lot, so I don't really doubt that the M60 was/is more controllable in that regard (would be very tiresome to use it unsupported for any length of time though).

The FG42 is however still remarkably controllable in this condition as well, infact at similar rates of fire it's probably the most controllable full auto battle rifle design to date, a fact most people are oblivious to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCFx_smieKk


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[Lemonater47]

Yeah the FG42 was an automatic rifle. More for semi auto fire swapping to full auto when needing. But even the semi auto fire already giving them a lot of firepower. But they got smashed taking crete so instead of revising tactics they just straight up didn't do paradrops. Weren't that many made. However they were used so much the american ordinance department estimated that there was 300,000 of them. When there were 9000 and by October the allies had 80% of them with most of the rest lost.

The BAR was the only true "successful" automatic rifle in that it was produced in great numbers. Other allied designs that had a few thousand made was the Johnson LMG which had a side mounted magazine though functioned far more like an auto rifle. The Charlton automatic rifle which was made out of converted Lee rifles even Lee-Metfords. Had a modified bren magazine underneath it a foregrip and a bipod. Becuase you couldn't have enough attachments. Prototypes performed well the army liked it but when put into full production most of them had issues. The company manufacturing the magazines also made them wrong so they couldnt actually fit the gun either so each gun only had the magazine it was produced with. Another variant of it removed both bipod and foregrip.

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

Yeah the FG42 was an automatic rifle. More for semi auto fire swapping to full auto when needing. But even the semi auto fire already giving them a lot of firepower. But they got smashed taking crete so instead of revising tactics they just straight up didn't do paradrops. Weren't that many made. However they were used so much the american ordinance department estimated that there was 300,000 of them. When there were 9000 and by October the allies had 80% of them with most of the rest lost.

By October? The first version didn't see deployment until 1943 during the Gran Sasso raid (way after crete), whilst the final version came out in 44 and was the most numerous, and it was only the elite paratroop units that carried them. Also I don't think the Allies ever had more than a couple of them until wars end, they definitely never had 80% until then.

 

[Lemonater47]

By October? The first version didn't see deployment until 1943 during the Gran Sasso raid (way after crete), whilst the final version came out in 44 and was the most numerous, and it was only the elite paratroop units that carried them. Also I don't think the Allies ever had more than a couple of them until wars end, they definitely never had 80% until then.

Well they are all american claims.

 

[Magpuller]

The M60 should be able to be fired from the shoulder in game. It's not like you even need steroids to do it.

proofz

 

[Lemonater47]

The M60 should be able to be fired from the shoulder in game. It's not like you even need steroids to do it.

proofz

We should also have all that he's wearing as a customisation option.

 

[Beskar Mando]

The M60 should be able to be fired from the shoulder in game. It's not like you even need steroids to do it.

proofz

Except accuracy would be terrible as displayed there, and can be seen when he's firing. The video looks to have a variation just from barrel direction of about 5, if not ten degrees. Lets do a little math here, let's assume that the barrel is off center of the target by 5 degrees. Lets say the engagement range is 20m, so roughly 2m (1.75) off of target. Keep in mind this is one plane, at 20 Meters . In other words your more than likely miss your target because of the recoil of the previous bullet.