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Gmo = poison

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REZ

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[URL="http://truth-out.org/news/item/11639-french-study-finds-tumors-and-organ-damage-in-rats-fed-monsanto-corn"][URL="http://truth-out.org/news/item/11639-french-study-finds-tumors-and-organ-damage-in-rats-fed-monsanto-corn"][URL="http://truth-out.org/news/item/11639-french-study-finds-tumors-and-organ-damage-in-rats-fed-monsanto-corn"][url]http://truth-out.org/news/item/11639-french-study-finds-tumors-and-organ-damage-in-rats-fed-monsanto-corn[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

Yeah, I've been following this as well.. actually, for a long time now. We have a Proposition coming up in our state, Prop 37, which will mandate the labelling of GMO. The chemical companies have spent millions to try and stop it from passing. Which is weird because they were all for it when it came to the UK.
[URL="http://truth-out.org/news/item/11014-monsanto-dupont-spend-millions-to-defeat-california-genetically-engineered-food-labeling-initiative"][URL="http://truth-out.org/news/item/11014-monsanto-dupont-spend-millions-to-defeat-california-genetically-engineered-food-labeling-initiative"][url]http://truth-out.org/news/item/11014-monsanto-dupont-spend-millions-to-defeat-california-genetically-engineered-food-labeling-initiative[/URL][/URL][/URL]

Here are some more articles if anyone is interested -
[URL="http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&q=monsanto"][URL="http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&q=monsanto"][URL="http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&q=monsanto"][url]http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&q=monsanto[/URL][/URL]

You guys in Europe should be proud of the stance you've taken on GMO's. Unfortunately here in the States we live in a bizarro dimension where the financial enrichment of a few is much more important than the health of millions of people. So with our for-profit healthcare system, GMO food everywhere, a hierarchical economic system akin to slavery, a K-12 education system based on standardized test scores, a higher education system that has turned into a profit generating machine for those same few people, a thriving prison/military industrial complex, and a penchant for making a joke of everything and hiding ourselves in patriotic imagery that never existed in reality (not to mention the latest fad) .. it's no wonder we've turned into dimwitted binary-thinking, fat, mutant xenophobes with cruel ego's based on our ability to destroy whomever physically and economically. Welcome to Rome. Nevermind the burning smell.. if we can't be bothered to pay attention to it, we don't expect you to either.[/URL][/URL]
 

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Anyone have a link to the original scientific article these press articles are based on?

One of the English articles above had a link purported to be for the Abstract, but it was to an earlier (2009) paper just looking at measurements on tissue effects - no cancer studies on it.

I'd very much like to see how they did these studies to get a feel if it was a well designed study, and what the actual risks are.


Remember, people aren't rats. There are plenty of rat strains bred to have a pre-disposition to different types of tumors - so take scary pictures of tumor laden rats with a grain of salt.

Edit: Nevermind, found it on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe forum: http://research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Final-Paper.pdf
 
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Very scary indeed.

Good thing about Europe is that (From what I hear) you guys have much stricter rules regarding modified foods. (Correct me if I am wrong)

Also if the food is modified in any way, it is labeled as such.


Here... we don't have much indication about it's content.
But I think we are still a little better off then our neighbors.
 

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Right, and this only covers the health risks involved in eating the food.. there is also the subject of horizontal gene transfer, not to mention the sticky fingers on the lawyers who sue farmers for that very gene transfer. It is a very real possibility that someday all food crops will contain some of these modified genes whether we like it or not.
 

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I just read through the paper. While certainly eyebrow raising, I see some issues in the study design. I don't think they used proper controls.

Basically, they made rodent chow with either 33% regular corn, 33% GMO corn, 22% GMO corn, or 11% GMO corn. I think they should have either supplemented the rat chow with regular corn to add up to 33% total corn, or used rat chow with 22% and 11% regular corn as additional controls. The way it is in the present study, there's a bit of apples to oranges comparison with 33% regular corn versus 22% and 11% GMO corn. So if it's something in all corn causing an effect, you won't be able to tell if it's the GMO or not.


Looking at the results (Fig 1), this seems to be a problem, as the LEAST amount of GMO (11%) in the males got the slowest mortality rate - less than the control group. If it's really something in the GMO, you would expect to see a dose dependent response. Looking at the death curves, I'm not convinced.


Also, 43% of these rats get tumors in the control / regular corn group (Table 2). In the GMO fed rats, it only goes to 66%. In the GMO+Roundup rats it goes to 62%. That's a difference,but not huge. Edit: D'oh. I take that back. I can't make that analysis, because the table is broken down to # of tumors, with how many affected rats. There could be rats that have several tumors in different organs, and they'd be counted at least twice.

A previous study this group did in 2009 looked at other Monsanto GMO corns - including 2 that produce their own insecticide (Bt toxin based). I'd like to see the results of those in a similar study. Unlike sprayed on insecticides, I don't think you can wash this stuff off.

I'd like to see this type of study reproduced with better controls. And definitely done in non-human primates, as this effect may very well be rodent specific, or even rat strain specific.
 
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Haven't had a chance to read all the links yet, but didn't get much further than the first paragraph in the first one. Reason: writer can't distinguish between herbicide, pesticide, fertilizer and/or gmo seed. No need to read further as he doesn't understand his subject matter well enough to warrant consideration of the article. A quick scan indicates his problem is with glyphosate and not with the genetically modified corn.

Europe has eased up quite a bit on their import restrictions of gmo foodstuffs. Reason: the populace and/or livestock would starve from lack of non-gmo foodstuff in the world.

Not argueing for/agains the merits of gmo products (at this time) just pointing out that there is a lot of hype, innuendo, ignorance and just plain false/mis-leading information. Afterall, this is the age of teh internets....;)


Floyd - farmer extraordinaire of gmo'd soybeans/corn/milo/cotton/wheat......


Oh, and Mormegil (just fyi), the Bt toxin occurs naturally. It would be interesting to see a study on the affects of Bt alone. It is quite amazing (to me) that they can incorporate it in to the gene of cotton and corn.
 
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REZ

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Damn, that's a real shame Floyd.. a real shame. But hey, a guy has got to make money, right? That's what it's all about in the end. Money. This has nothing to do with being able to grow crops in the desert on dead soil like they enjoy telling everyone. It's about the control of several markets, and farmers nationwide, for some time now, have been forced to either go massive scale and adopt these environmentally damaging techniques/stock, or go under. Big money baby.

Saying the populace and/or livestock will starve without GMO feed is the same binary TINA thinking that keeps us enslaved in Capitalism. Humankind can do MUCH better than this.

I love how people are so quick to try and disprove a study like this, but on the other hand don't question the fact that this GMO stuff has been allowed into our lives based on flimsier studies conducted by the manufacturers themselves. Ahh yes.
 
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