Yeah 'cos they'll change the game based on 71 of 112 people who voted on the forum...
Their approach will be as always - don't like it, mod it.
Their approach will be as always - don't like it, mod it.
Germans had LESS MP40s
- Thread starter greenlemonade
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WOW.
this poll was taken BEFORE the MKB nightmare. See how many people were concerned about the MP40s? Having LOADS of MKBs on German side is 10 times worse!
this poll was taken BEFORE the MKB nightmare. See how many people were concerned about the MP40s? Having LOADS of MKBs on German side is 10 times worse!
Waffen SS most of the time proved to be "The exception" and played guinea pig. They're the ones who fielded the experimental weapons or imported irregular equipment. I hear it was 5.SS Wiking that was issued the Mkb.42.
I think I've heard that too, weren't they encircled, or was that with the Mp43/44?
I also like this, but I thought most of the foreign weapons/older smgs like mp-28 were given to the WSS instead of the Heer truppen.
As far as the load out is concerned
This is my idea:
In a 64 player server it would roughly be a German platoon, so triple these numbers
3 Squad leaders with Mp-40
3 Mg gunners
3/4 Semi-auto
21 K98 supporting riflemen
1 Leutnant or platoon leader with Mp40
I think that when its a 16 player server the Platoon leader position should be locked and there should only be one NCO position open. So
1 NCO
1 Mg34
1 G41
5 riflemen
I also think it wouldn't be super rare if some of the riflemen were given mp40's for the close combat fighting, but the ratio of automatics/semi-auto to bolt action is a bit skewed, especially with the G41 being a rare weapon.
Your squad has extra MP40's because every time a landser with a carbine saw a dead German with an MP40, he picked it up. Your platoon did not hop off the train right before the round started and that is why we do not have by-the-book orders of battle.
Just get over it and make a mod with an NCO with an MP40, his assistant with another MP40, six schmucks with a rifle, and one machine gunner per squad. I've seen that layout in 1943 OOBs from the Italian theatre, only they also had two G43's, one of which had optics...
Just get over it and make a mod with an NCO with an MP40, his assistant with another MP40, six schmucks with a rifle, and one machine gunner per squad. I've seen that layout in 1943 OOBs from the Italian theatre, only they also had two G43's, one of which had optics...
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I vote for keeping them equal. It keeps the game interesting and gives people variety to play with. If we made it asymmetric we will never hear the end of it. Also, if less assault slots are available on the german side that means there will be that many more idiots grabbing SL and TL roles just for the SMG, and those can be decisive on some maps.
And while we're here, on the whole 'give the russians more human waves with only 2 bullets' thing. Someone should strangle the guy who made enemy at the gates with his own colon.
And while we're here, on the whole 'give the russians more human waves with only 2 bullets' thing. Someone should strangle the guy who made enemy at the gates with his own colon.
Since TWI gave up on asymmetrical balance on the historically accurate Drum mag for the PPSH, you have no chance of getting them to disbalance SMG classes to fit balance.
ROOST was significantly asymmetric (G41 vs SVT, MP40 vs drum mag PPSH, DP-28 vs MG 42, Panzerfaust vs PTRD). Yet they managed to make it work.
ROOST was significantly asymmetric (G41 vs SVT, MP40 vs drum mag PPSH, DP-28 vs MG 42, Panzerfaust vs PTRD). Yet they managed to make it work.
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ROOST was beautifully asymmetric. And it did work. However, as you youself said, asmmetric balance seems to be null and void(Given the PPSh drum mag argument). Thus we, unfortunately, agree.
However, now that the game has been out for a while and since not everyone playing has experienced ROOST, i think taking this step may be met with backlash and cries of TWI favoring the russians. No matter the fact that it may be a perfectly valid attempt at asymmetric balance.
I hear that kind of thing isn't 'in' anymore in the gaming world.
an excellent suggestion comerade, but i am afraid the majority of RO2 favoured to the german side will not agree
If you level up in that class, you are able to select weapons from the other side.
True supporters of realism do agree, be it German or Soviet.
It's simply a fact that Soviets had more SMGs, but then again the Germans had better and more MGs.
It's simply a fact that Soviets had more SMGs, but then again the Germans had better and more MGs.
But is it a fact that the Soviets had more SMG's pr. soldier? If so, I'd like to see the documentation which proves this.
I'd like to see various studies that shows exactly this. It could have been really nice idea for the realism mod since I don't expect TWI to implement something like this. In my opinion historical accuracy is in most cases - such as this - more important than fair gameplay. Personally, I always play on German team, but I rather have a hard time all the time - as an example - than playing and know that the game isn't historically accurate. Truth is, if it isn't historically accurate, wouldn't that mean that the gameplay is unfair?
Questions like how many PPSHs did the Germans collect, how common was STG44, Mp40, Kar, how common was panzerfaust, how much ammo did the Germans and the Russians have, what kind of support did they have (tanks, artillery etc) and so on.
Questions like how many PPSHs did the Germans collect, how common was STG44, Mp40, Kar, how common was panzerfaust, how much ammo did the Germans and the Russians have, what kind of support did they have (tanks, artillery etc) and so on.
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Funny how you can get downvoted for asking a simple question, seems like someone is holding a grudge 
Funny how you can get downvoted for asking a simple question, seems like someone is holding a grudge
Yeah. It's as funny as people who downvote others without making a reply to their post.
I guess It's easy to have an opinion but harder to have a argument.
Well I can tell you it wasn't me, because I now have a little doubt my own conclusion.
But I'm pretty sure that in Stalingrad the SMG rate on the Russian side was higher then the German counterparts. I think the SMG ratio per soldier increased on both sides during the battle though. New tactics and fading rules like only officers have SMGs would've caused that.
But I'm pretty sure that in Stalingrad the SMG rate on the Russian side was higher then the German counterparts. I think the SMG ratio per soldier increased on both sides during the battle though. New tactics and fading rules like only officers have SMGs would've caused that.