RO2 Game mode : Stalingrad

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

Fact Russians had 1 rifle for 2 or 3 soldiers must be read as a consequence of lack of ammo supply and attrition. (in Stalingrad adn in few another 1941 1942 battles.)

Facts have to be backed up. And Enemy at the Gates is not a reliable source of information. The Soviet Union didn't give a damn about it's citizens, but even they wouldn't be dumb enough to just send soldiers to their death from lack of weapons. If they were going to take away guns from any soldier it would be from the second line non combatants and issue those to front line troops. If the Red Army only had one rifle per 2 or 3 men then they couldn't have retaken Stalingrad. The Soviets could ship supplies over the Volga...the Germans had to fly them into the battle over thousands of miles and their planes kept getting shot down.

 

[ro2player]

If the Red Army only had one rifle per 2 or 3 men then they couldn't have retaken Stalingrad. The Soviets could ship supplies over the Volga...the Germans had to fly them into the battle over thousands of miles and their planes kept getting shot down.

Soldiers didn't had enough rifle, ammo, tank guns...AND THEY TAKE STALINGRAD !

Taking Stalingrad doesn't mean you didn't heavily suffer of attrition...
"Volga is behind you Ivan"...Remenber it

The Soviets could ship supplies over the Volga...

COULDN'T you mean...( because Volga was under fire of Germans since september 42)


It's mix between orders and attrition who send Soviet soldiers in death by this way. And maybe in Stalingrad more than in another place.


Never Germany send troop as Soviet Russia send their OWN MEN to the battlefield.

Russian (Stalin and Stavka) given orders who - mixed with attrition - works in this way. (fact to have 1 rifle for 2 or 3 soldiers)

 

[Jank]

The Battle of Berlin definitely featured German soldiers sent into battle without proper supply. Designated Volkssturm II troops, they were not issued weapons but were intended to take up the weapons of the dead Volkssturm I troops. source


A general talking about supply problems doesn't prove anything.


I would say just about every battle situation that could happen, in ww2 did happen in one place or another.

 

[ro2player]

A general talking about supply problems doesn't prove anything.


I would say just about every battle situation that could happen, in ww2 did happen in one place or another.

But more in Stalingrad. Perfect place for attrition battle.
Orders given also can explain a part. I think it's a mix. A mix between orders and attrition.

My idea is a counter part of the gamemode Skirmish. A more interesting skirmisch gamemode : 10 Germans with normal level of ammo against 54 Soviets ( with low level of ammo of few ammo) and for few soldiers no rifle. ( no rifle, ppsh41 ). No weapon for Squad leader or Team leader except pistol.

 

[The Chocolate Jesus]

Sorry but I don't talk about :


I talk about FACT OF SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.
Idea that Germans can't have weapons and fight with no rifle is not possible.

Germans NEVER send their men wihtout weapons.
Russians send them - without (and even with they shoot them )
My idea works for Russians of middle war period.

Never Germany send troop as Soviet Russia send their OWN MEN to the battlefield.

I talk about FACT OF SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.
and if you udnerstand me:
I talk about FACT OF SOVIET SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.

Right now you have got to be kidding us. The Germans were extremely well equiped with the most advanced technology at the beginning of the war. Stalingrad WAS a battle of attrition but for both sides. The Germans ran out of ammo a month or a half before the end of battle. They had to scrap everything together and used whatever weapons they could find (PPSH, Mosin and SVT). Besides there were times where the Germans were issued not enough ammo or the wrong type...the beach fighting at D-Day is the best proof of Germans being issued the wrong ammunition.

 

[CptFoley101]

Normally,im against locking/deleting threads but this one takes the cake.Its beyond pathetic.

Ro2Player here are the things needed for you to start modding HoS/RS
http://www.moddb.com/engines/unreal-engine-3/tutorials/ue3-tutorials
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=87123

 

[The Chocolate Jesus]

Normally,im against locking/deleting threads but this one takes the cake.Its beyond pathetic.

Agreed.

 

[ro2player]

Right now you have got to be kidding us. The Germans were extremely well equiped with the most advanced technology at the beginning of the war. Stalingrad WAS a battle of attrition but for both sides.

...I didn't said German didn't suffer of attrition.

Besides there were times where the Germans were issued not enough ammo or the wrong type...

Same for Russians was right here...and with the Volga in the back who doesn't really help the supply.
Russians had a lot of rifles but not the required bullet. I am not talking only for Stalingrad in this point but for 1941 1942 battles.

Asymetrical...Russians have number but too much weapons. Germans have weapons and normal ammo.
Germans were also striken by attrition. Less but also.

I said : "Germans were also striken by attrition. Less but also."

Normally,im against locking/deleting threads but this one takes the cake.Its beyond pathetic.

Ro2Player here are the things needed for you to start modding HoS/RS
http://www.moddb.com/engines/unreal-engine-3/tutorials/ue3-tutorials
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=87123

Ok CptFoley, but modding is too much difficult.

 

[Moskeeto]

Normally,im against locking/deleting threads but this one takes the cake.[/URL]

I hadn't been following this thread, but looking at it now makes me agree that it's time to lock the thread.