RO2 Game mode : Stalingrad

[aaz777]

Because YOU REALLY THINK Russians had ALWAYS HAD weapons since June 1941 to Late 42 ?
Russians had a big number of weapons. But no time to train them, no time TO SUPPLY IT ( bullets are not the same...)

Don't create - at your turn - another kind of "disgusting stereotypes "...

Sorry, Aaz777, but a "Gun with No ammo, it's not a Gun."...said Chuikov, Soviet commander in Stalingrad...

Fact you said :

make you are a liar.

give me at least 1 photo or any other proof that there was soviet atack with 1 rifle on 3 at Stalingrad. The most similar case i ever heard was at 1941-42 when group of soviet soilders that WASNT SUPPOSED to go in battle in near time had only few rifles and was atacked by germans. But it wasnt Stalingrad, it wasnt atack, it wasnt special throwing soilders without ammo/weapon into fight and it was single rare case.

 

[ro2player]

I enjoy a good busting of false mythbusting
Great stuff!
I dont get why aaz777 is getting so ****ing upset as soon as anyone says something about the red army he doesnt agree with. Maybe you are wrong, maybe Jank is wrong. No reason to get so upset.
Late german Volkssturm troops werent issued enough weapons and ammunition either and no one cares.

seienchin88,
Stalingrad was linked to attrition and supply problem. Just check what said Chuikov : "A gun with no ammo it's not a gun"...
And Chuikov was said it when he was in Stalingrad.
Each battle is linked to supply problem, and it's right to Stalingrad also. First for Russians, then for Germans. (i don't say Germans didn't had supply problem)

 

[aaz777]

you are calling me a liar and all arguments what you have is "A gun with no ammo it's not a gun" ? tell me how does it prove that red army had 1 rifle on 3 at Stalingrad?
if you want to know the Pavlov's assault group was taking as many ammo as its soilders would like to take.
Even if there were some cases when soviet soilders didnt get a weapon, it wasnt often and it wasnt happening all the time. As i proved before with Opolcheniye, Red Army was arming its soilders as well is it was possible and it never threw soilders with 1 rifle on 3 like your " mode ".
I am liar because i claim that 1 rifle on 3 isnt a specific thing for Stalingrad battle? seriously if you want russians have bad/few weapons with few ammo and germans with better, suggest 1941 mode with Opolcheniye that actually had such a problem though it was solved as well as it was possible but still it existed. But its clearly not a specific thing of Stalingrad battle, even if there was some cases when some soilders werent getting rifle it was rare and it clearly didnt look like only 30% of all soviet soilders in Stalingrad battle had rifle like its described in your mode.

 

[ro2player]

I am liar because i claim that 1 rifle on 3 isnt a specific thing for Stalingrad battle?

1 Rifle on 3 soldiers, 1 rifle on 2 soldiers.
From 1941 to 1942, Russians practiced it... even with old weapons, etc, they had problem of supply.
Chuikov sentence talks by itself...
Ammo supply and attrition are part of each battles. No exception.

"Gamemode Stalingrad" because it was practiced by Russians since June 1941 until Stalingrad.

 

[aaz777]

From 1941 to 1942, Russians practiced it... even with old weapons, etc, they had problem of supply.
Chuikov sentence talks by itself...

statements " had problems that were solved as well as it was possible/low ammo " and " all soviet soilders at Stalingrad battle should have 1 weapon on 3 " are different as hell, " NOT liar "

(i don't say Germans didn't had supply problem)

OF COURSE you dont say, but your suggestion is still one sided as hell though germans had giant problem with supply and not only ammo at the end of battle.

 

[ro2player]

I call you LIAR when you said :

And lack of weapons is definitely not a specific thing for Stalingrad battle, conversely, large use of SMGs by Red army was specific thing of Stalingrad battle.

Stalingrad is not so easy to supply as you wish.

 

[aaz777]

I call you LIAR when you said :



Stalingrad is not so easy to supply as you wish.

calling liar for telling true?
i still didnt hear any exlanation of how is this Chuykov phrase prove that red army had 1 weapon on 3 soilders through all Stalingrad battle.

 

[ro2player]

calling liar for telling true?
i still didnt hear any exlanation of how is this Chuykov phrase prove that red army had 1 weapon on 3 soilders through all Stalingrad battle.

Russians practiced INSIDE and OUSTIDE fact to have only 1 rifle on 2 or 3 soldiers...since June 1941 to Stalingrad.

In Stalingrad weapons and ammo supply were not perfect...For Russians, and after for Germans.
I am talking about a gamemode who show Russian wave of soldiers who have ammo supply. (and weapons...)
Aaz777, Reads fact Russians have only 1 rifle on 2 or 3 soldiers only as a consequence of attrition and ammo supply problem.

 

[aaz777]

Russians practiced INSIDE and OUSTIDE fact to have only 1 rifle on 2 or 3 soldiers...since June 1941 to Stalingrad.

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give me at least 1 photo or any other proof that there was soviet atack with 1 rifle on 3 at Stalingrad. The most similar case i ever heard was at 1941-42 when group of soviet soilders that WASNT SUPPOSED to go in battle in near time had only few rifles and was atacked by germans. But it wasnt Stalingrad, it wasnt atack, it wasnt special throwing soilders without ammo/weapon into fight and it was single rare case.

 

[ro2player]

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DO YOU REALLY THINK supply ammo and weapons were SO EASY than soldiers HAD ALL WEAPONS AND AMMO ?? I am talking about Russians and attrition problem of Stalingrad...

Stalingrad is also a battle between forces of supply. No supply, no ammo, no rifle...

 

[TheMarshal]

Pls RoFanatic stop posting b....s. over b.....s. Youre just annoying. Every Posts gets spammed by your same old boring and annoying ideas.

 

[aaz777]

DO YOU REALLY THINK supply ammo and weapons were SO EASY than soldiers HAD ALL WEAPONS AND AMMO ?? I am talking about Russians and attrition problem of Stalingrad...

please stop repeating the same thing all over again and give me proof that only 50 or 30% of red army had weapons at Stalingrad battle. That was your statement in first post and you are calling me a liar because i was saying that its not true

 

[ro2player]

please stop repeating the same thing all over again and give me proof that only 50 or 30% of red army had weapons at Stalingrad battle.

Do you know Stalingrad is a WAR OF ATTRITION. PLEASE do you understand it ? Note i am talking about : STALINGRAD...(it was right for Russians since Barbarossa.)

PLEASE do you understand it ?
Stalingrad is THE WORST battle of attrition of ww2 and certainly of middle war period (beside few anothers one battles...)

Pls RoFanatic stop posting b....s. over b.....s. Youre just annoying. Every Posts gets spammed by your same old boring and annoying ideas.

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I am not talking about vehicle ? Don't read if you can't.

 

[aaz777]

Do you know Stalingrad is a WAR OF ATTRITION. Note i am talking about : STALINGRAD...(it was right for Russians since Barbarossa.)

i didnt see any proofs that Red Army had only 50%/30% soilders armed with weapons at Stalingrad battle, " NOT liar "

 

[ro2player]

i didnt see any proofs that Red Army had only 50%/30% soilders armed with weapons at Stalingrad battle, " NOT liar "

And so Stalingrad is not an attrition war ?

STALINGRAD is worst attrition war...

 

[aaz777]

And so Stalingrad is not an attrition war ?

STALINGRAD is worst attrition war...

you wrote 6 posts after my question:

give me at least 1 photo or any other proof that there was soviet atack with 1 rifle on 3 at Stalingrad.

and all your 6 posts contain no proof. last 2 posts are even off-topic,
'' NOT liar "

 

[Jank]

No reason to get so upset. Countries do things like that in desperate situations.
Late german Volkssturm troops werent issued enough weapons and ammunition either and no one cares.

Yes exactly. No doubt there were localized supply issues (regardless of overall production) in lots of battles on both sides, and in lots of conflicts not just this one.


That said, I could see a map being made where some of you have to scavenge a weapon. We had at least one map like that in RO1, maybe it was EATG I can't remember exactly, but there were Riflemen and there were Riflemen(without rifles). If you were among the last to join, you got stuck without a weapon on spawn. Whether or not it can be nailed down as historically accurate or not is beside the point - it is plausible and if I recall correctly it was a fun map setup.


Even now I personally sometimes get the whim to dump my rifle at spawn and go out in the field empty-handed and needing to scavenge. It's fun.


Like I mentioned before, negatives cannot be proven, so don't expect proof from aaz777 when it is not possible to prove this. I doubt we'll ever find rock-solid evidence that it did happen either. No sense getting hung up on evidence. We will simply have to reach some sort of reasonable consensus.

 

[ro2player]

And lack of weapons is definitely not a specific thing for Stalingrad battle, conversely, large use of SMGs by Red army was specific thing of Stalingrad battle.

Russians had lack of weapons and ammo. It's not because you have big number of rifle so it's mean you have the good bullet. Stalingrad is worst battle of attrition. You can't change history Aaz777.


"And lack of weapons is definitely not a specific thing for Stalingrad battle"...You are so wrong here.
What kind of book you read or picture you see to say this kind of LIE ?

Like I mentioned before, negatives cannot be proven, so don't expect proof from aaz777 when it is not possible to prove this. I doubt we'll ever find rock-solid evidence that it did happen either. No sense getting hung up on evidence. We will simply have to reach some sort of reasonable consensus.

Even Chuikov recognize it himself :
"Gun with no ammo is not a gun."
Volga river was here, and it had an impact on battle and ammo and men supply and reinforcement.

AAZZ777 What kind of book you read or picture you see to say this kind of LIE ?

Fact Russians had 1 rifle for 2 or 3 soldiers must be read as a consequence of lack of ammo supply and attrition. (in Stalingrad adn in few another 1941 1942 battles.)

Russian (Stalin and Stavka) given orders who - mixed with attrition - works in this way. (fact to have 1 rifle for 2 or 3 soldiers)

 

[aaz777]

7th post and i dont see anything except repeating the same thing all over again.
good bye " speaking the truth "
P.S. i am not against realistic introduction of low ammo or rare soilders in game for both sides, but it has nothing to do with ro2player statement that russians had only 30% soilders armed with weapons in Stalingrad that is not even laughable

 

[ro2player]

Sorry but I don't talk about :

realistic introduction of low ammo or rare soilders in game for both sides,

I talk about FACT OF SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.
Idea that Germans can't have weapons and fight with no rifle is not possible.

Germans NEVER send their men wihtout weapons.
Russians send them - without (and even with they shoot them )
My idea works for Russians of middle war period.

Never Germany send troop as Soviet Russia send their OWN MEN to the battlefield.

I talk about FACT OF SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.
and if you udnerstand me:
I talk about FACT OF SOVIET SOLDIERS DIDN'T HAD RIFLE ON BATTLEFIELD.