Frustrated by the lack of content and patches

[Diogenes]

it will be a massive update and in the long run is better off done this way than split up into several small, unstable patches that will mostly have to be redone anyway. You want subpar content fast, or excellent content at a slower pace?

Looks like you are the one who has no idea how fine tuning balance in games with a long lifespam work.

No matter how much content they can fit in just one big update, no mater how much QA testing they do, they are not going to make everything perfectly balanced in the first try. There will be things that need some tuning and it probably will take several updates to get it right.

The more frequent the balance updates come, and the more feedback they get, the more balanced it will be in the end.

Expecting them to release a magical giant update that will make everything perfect is a myth.

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

How can you even make that argument when the game shipped in such a good state? They've already shown they can be trusted to release a stable product, with only minor issues. The game's EA release was like a first update, the upcoming one will be the fine-tuning that DOES fix most of the problems that players have discovered over the last few months. But go ahead, keep talking out of your ***.

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

Looks like you are the one who has no idea how fine tuning balance in games with a long lifespam work.

No matter how much content they can fit in just one big update, no mater how much QA testing they do, they are not going to make everything perfectly balanced in the first try.

No **** sherlock, that's why this next patch will fix hundreds of issues players have raised in the release build. Speed of updates isn't as important as the quality of the updates, why cant you get that? TW doesn't need to waste time getting feedback on every single little thing, they're not retarded. I think they can handle most of it themselves, give them some credit.

Edit: sorry for double post, hard to quote mid-post on a phone.

 

[Diogenes]

The EA had a good release, but that was it. A good RELEASE. The way they chose to deal with updates was not optimal. Is that so hard to understand?

After the first week it was apparent that the M4 had some serious problems (just an example), but now, months after the opening of EA (they even had a beta before that), the M4 still sucks. Because they choose to have the content updates together with the balance updates.

I can understand in cases like the berserker class, that will be mostly redone, but in other cases they could already be working to improve the balance.

But go on with your sacred crusade to defend everything the devs do like they are gods incapable of making mistakes, for some odd reason...

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

Lol you still think I'm a TW fanboy, how naive. M4 isn't the only issue, so I'm electing you chief balance engineer. I want you to come up with a list of balance changes that can be implemented, tested and shipped in a timely manner without holding up too many staff or wasting time/money. Oh wait, they've already figured that out, the answer is hold off on tweaking until there's more content and an actual stable meta is first achieved before wasting time fine-tuning. TW knows you will come back when the update launches, until then play something else and stop trying to pretend you know what you're talking about. John Gibson is probably reading your comments and saying "You're gonna eat those words mother ****er, wait and see."

TL;DR: Just because the style of development doesn't match your idea of an EA doesn't mean you're right. This is a veteran company making a professional game the way they believe it will work out best, so quit worrying that it isn't fast enough and that they don't listen to fed back when you haven't even seen the patch.

 

[Diogenes]

That argument of speed vs. quality makes absolute no sense here.

In the case of fine tuning the balance of the game, more regular updates make for faster feedback and then improved overall balance in the next update.

Why do you think games like CSGO have updates changing weapons and maps all the time, based on the professional players and regular player feedback? Sometimes the update only change one or two things, like a weapon statistic and a little map bug. But ir works. Feedback is much faster and the game gets better for each minor update they provide. Just compare CSGO from launch to today. It was basically an early access game, all things considered (it was only after a lot of updates based on feedback that the game was balanced enough to be comparable to 1.6).

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

More regular updates means better balance for the current variation of the game, which is undone as soon as new content hits. Conventional wisdom suggests prioritizing content first, so you can finalize the balance changed after and be sure it's right. For now I'm happy with minimal balance, the biggest issue is a couple guns and Fleshpound being slightly UP. The only thing making the game unplayable is lack of content, not balance.

 

[Diogenes]

That is why they should prioritize content, while also dividing the updates in big content updates for the long run (the focus) and small balance updates for the short run (since it shoudn't take as much people and as much time as creating new content, for obvious reasons).

If you was led to believe they can't coexist, I'm so sorry for you...

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

It's almost like you're disregarding points I already made earlier and I'm talking to a sentient dog turd. Then again, look at that avatar.

 

[Diogenes]

How old are you, kid?

 

[KingKitNip]

Only TW knows how best to divide their resources and manpower. If they can't spare the people to focus on smaller balance hot-fixes or if they feel its a waste of resources to have 1 or 2 people do so, then that is their decision. Nothing said here will ever change that.

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

Only TW knows how best to divide their resources and manpower. If they can't spare the people to focus on smaller balance hot-fixes or if they feel its a waste of resources to have 1 or 2 people do so, then that is their decision. Nothing said here will ever change that.

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. It's their game and I think they have a better idea of what to do with it than Joe Blow on the Internet who dropped out of college and does a bit of web design...

How old are you, kid?

Old enough to drink. Good thing too, I might need to if you keep talking to me.

 

[mrsirr]

Alright that's enough of that. I'm trying really hard not to close this thread but it doesn't look like anything useful is going on here.

 

[Oy The Destroyer]

Alright that's enough of that. I'm trying really hard not to close this thread but it doesn't look like anything useful is going on here.

I recommended closing it on the previous page, this thread is nothing but troll bait.

 

[Tatgon]

Oh wow, can we please just have a friendly conversation here without throwing mud at eachother? Don't see why its necessary to rage over the internet anyway

 

[Ryno5660]

Regardless of what's said, it's all just various ways of saying people want to play the new content.

And as for not having a peaceful discussion, this is the wrong species for that I'm afraid!

 

[mrsirr]

Yeah I reckon I'm going to go ahead and put a fork in this. It's a subject that everyone feels differently on and no good comes from everyone verbally expressing that they believe their opinion is the right one.

 

[Blazur]

Frustrated by the lack of content and patches (v2)

Frustrated by the lack of content and patches (v2)

The last thread was prematurely shut down by mrsirr. State your frustrations here at how slowly this game has been progressing in EA. Do you feel it was misrepresented? If so please share your thoughts.

I was expecting more.

 

[silveralen]

Here is a fun link

https://youtu.be/6LeDvDdadxQ?t=35m

While they don't promise anything, they gave a tentative 6 months.

We are sitting at 3.5 months without a single content update, the one update which may not even drop before the 4 month cut off will barely have half the perks, and it apparently took them 4ish months to get two done, meaning we could easily be 8-12 months before the final game. That's 2-3 times as long as their estimate.

It was off the cuff, but this level of apparent bull rankles, because it seems clear he had to know what he was saying was 100% false. How can you give an estimate of six months then fail to produce a single major content update in four? That goes beyond incompetence into outright deception.

It honestly makes me feel like a sucker for listening, for being stupid enough to take someone at their word. I regret purchasing the game because the devs clearly don't respect the players and will just say whatever is needed to get our money. I thought better of TWI, but clearly that was a mistake on my part, and I still feel foolish for it.

 

[Kouga45]

inb4 shutdown v2