Forum Opinion on Tank Bailing Poll

[Nimsky]

On scouting ahead. I agree this would be the only reason to unmount from the tank. Unfortunately, being hull or even turret down isn't always an option. Think about forested maps, or if you want to go around a building without exposing your tank.

For this reason, I'd like to see ONLY the commander be allowed to unmount, and if the tank gets blown up, they respawn with the tank. Of course no cap power for the unmounted commander. Maybe I'll put this in the suggestions.

Hmmm, gotta say I'm not really in favour of this. If tankers see the commander pop out and scout ahead they might think "WHY CAN'T I DO THAT" and flood the support forum with complaints. IMO it's either the entire crew stays locked inside or all of them can exit.

It's true that you can't scout around a building but I imagine that most maps that have tanks as well as a lot of buildings will be combined arms. So the infantry can do the scouting ahead. That's the whole point of combined arms - the tank can't survive without the infantry and vice-versa. Besides, leaving your tank makes you very vulnerable, especially on combined arms maps. You can get killed very quickly by leaving the safe interior of your tank, and if that happens your tank is just a useless tin can (except when there are still human players in the tank, but as I wrote, the pros of the new system outweigh the con).

 

[Das Bose]

Not only to scout ahead but what if you spot an anti-tank guy, his first shot disables your track and you know the next will kill you long before the turret traverse brings him into harms way. As it stands you have a choice of wait and die or commit suicide ( scuttle ).

So that's two totally viable situations where being outside of the tank is beneficial to both your team and anyone else in the tank at the time :IS2:

 

[fiftyone]

Err,,, Tank only ?
Unless I'm missing something.

 

[Nimsky]

Not only to scout ahead but what if you spot an anti-tank guy, his first shot disables your track and you know the next will kill you long before the turret traverse brings him into harms way. As it stands you have a choice of wait and die or commit suicide ( scuttle ).

So that's two totally viable situations where being outside of the tank is beneficial to both your team and anyone else in the tank at the time :IS2:

So you want to pop out, shoot the AT guy, and pop back in. But that is exactly one of the annoyances about RO:O's tanking.

The infantry is supposed to protect you from AT.

 

[Das Bose]

So you want to pop out, shoot the AT guy, and pop back in. But that is exactly one of the annoyances about RO:O's tanking.

The infantry is supposed to protect you from AT.

No I don't want to 'pop' out, I hate that and the infantry is not always around on public servers. A nice animation or at least a realistic exit delay so I can at least attempt to defend my vehicle from any close anti-tank guys, or if the tank is immobilized the driver may as well be outside providing cover/spotting for the gunner, and as others have rightly mentioned, to take a look around without exposing the tank.

That's three and all are realistic, common sense scenarios

 

[Fedorov]

No I don't want to 'pop' out, I hate that and the infantry is not always around on public servers. A nice animation or at least a realistic exit delay so I can at least attempt to defend my vehicle from any close anti-tank guys, or if the tank is immobilized the driver may as well be outside providing cover/spotting for the gunner, and as others have rightly mentioned, to take a look around without exposing the tank.

That's three and all are realistic, common sense scenarios

If the AT shot you and you know that the next hit will destroy your tank, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it unless you pop out

 

[cmdrsven]

A big argument for bailing out seems to be to be able to scout ahead. While the concept of doing that is realistic, I still feel it is out of scale for maps of RO size. In an ongoing short/medium range tank battle (as would be the case of the tank-only map) I doubt you would consider leaving your tank to have a look around. In the case of a more urban combined arms environment your infantry support would probably assist in scouting.

From what I've read, commanders scouting outside their tanks would do it to find ambush spots or spotting the enemy before they even are aware of you. They would not jump out to look what's around a corner in the heat of battle.

 

[hockeywarrior]

A big argument for bailing out seems to be to be able to scout ahead. While the concept of doing that is realistic, I still feel it is out of scale for maps of RO size. In an ongoing short/medium range tank battle (as would be the case of the tank-only map) I doubt you would consider leaving your tank to have a look around. In the case of a more urban combined arms environment your infantry support would probably assist in scouting.

From what I've read, commanders scouting outside their tanks would do it to find ambush spots or spotting the enemy before they even are aware of you. They would not jump out to look what's around a corner in the heat of battle.

I agree that I think one of the biggest problems involved in letting people bail our exit their tanks is a matter of scale. Good explanation -- I won't add anything else and muddy it up

 

[Mormegil]

No I don't want to 'pop' out, I hate that and the infantry is not always around on public servers. A nice animation or at least a realistic exit delay so I can at least attempt to defend my vehicle from any close anti-tank guys, or if the tank is immobilized the driver may as well be outside providing cover/spotting for the gunner, and as others have rightly mentioned, to take a look around without exposing the tank.

That's three and all are realistic, common sense scenarios

Which is why I'm hoping pistol and grenade ports will be usable. Or the commander can use a gun while unbuttoned.


About the scouting ahead, I agree it's next to useless in a medium to small tank map, but we don't know how big this tank map will be. Plus I'm sure we'll see some custom maps on the scale of Black Day in July, where scouting could be more viable. I still say, you die with your tank when scouting.

 

[jalex3]

Which is why I'm hoping pistol and grenade ports will be usable. Or the commander can use a gun while unbuttoned.

this is what i want to see, but atleast if the ports dont worked id like to pop my head out the top and try and shoot people.

 

[CCCP]

That's what I would like to do in game "Shank a Tanker"

 

[Dwin]

Yup, it seems that your inability to handle logic has decreased your rep bars

Nice try.

Good job though, for being like the 3rd person in this entire thread with the capability to post a meaningful response to another post. =P

Maybe when your tank is scuttled, we could see all the escape hatches pop open, at least IMPLYING that the crew would have escaped or something.

 

[Oldih]

That's three and all are realistic, common sense scenarios

Now presuming the armour system is actually realistic instead of the RO:Ost pongmatch, unless you're driving willingly to some obvious "WHY HELLO THERE THIS IS AN AMBUSH" spot you're quite safe in your tank against AT rifle, and in the hypothetical scenario it's shooting from a direction it can actually penetrate it's quite easy to remedy before the tank is out of action due KIA crew rather than being destroyed. I'd be more worried about some crazy-*** engineer trying to close in even from moderately long distance than AT rifles in general.

 

[Grobut]

Nice try.

Good job though, for being like the 3rd person in this entire thread with the capability to post a meaningful response to another post. =P

Maybe if you replied to meaningful responses with more than just vitriol and complaints about your rep-bar, we could carry an actual conversation

 

[Dwin]

Maybe if you replied to meaningful responses with more than just vitriol and complaints about your rep-bar, we could carry an actual conversation

Maybe if you read the thread, you would find that my posts contain nothing of the sort like you describe.

The only complaints I've made are against forum members such as yourself who lack the patience or capacity to actually read and/or comprehend more than the last page of the thread before commenting.

 

[Grobut]

Maybe if you read the thread, you would find that my posts contain nothing of the sort like you describe.

The only complaints I've made are against forum members such as yourself who lack the patience or capacity to actually read and/or comprehend more than the last page of the thread before commenting.

Did Grobut post on the very first page of this thread? Why yes he did!

Has Grobut been posting in this thread the entire time? Why yes, he's on damn near every page!

Has Grobut had prior interactions with Dwin in this thread? Indeed, several times!


Got any more baseless ad hominem's you want to lob at me Dwin? Don't be shy, it woulden't be the first time in this thread..

 

[Dwin]

Did Grobut post on the very first page of this thread? Why yes he did!

Has Grobut been posting in this thread the entire time? Why yes, he's on damn near every page!

Has Grobut had prior interactions with Dwin in this thread? Indeed, several times!


Got any more baseless ad hominem's you want to lob at me Dwin? Don't be shy, it woulden't be the first time in this thread..

Baseless ad hominem? That right there is a baseless ad hominem. I'm just stating the facts. You make a witty but false remark. I state the facts. You're telling me you have been actively contributing, which leads me to two logical conclusions: you failed to comprehend, or you just forgot what I had posted. For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to assume it is the latter.

So where are these baseless ad hominem attacks? Show me a quote where I have engaged in such activities.

 

[Grobut]

So where are these baseless ad hominem attacks? Show me a quote where I have engaged in such activities.

Sure thing:

Clearly some people aren't happy when TW takes lazy and unimaginative ways to solve problems.

Too much logic for some people to handle.

Textbook ad homonem right there, attacking peoples intelligence rather than their arguments.

Good job though, for being like the 3rd person in this entire thread with the capability to post a meaningful response to another post. =P

You know Dwin, several people have done exactly that, several people have engaged your arguments with valid counter points, that much is apparent to anyone who scrolls through thease pages, but you have wholesale ignored the brunt of them, and now, you are throwing a tantrum, calling us all drooling idiots with no capacity for logic or reason, because we don't instantly agree with you.


You know, i like to think that i am allways right too, that's human nature afterall, but most of us have the good sense of not claiming that everything we say or think is a "FACT!"

 

[Mormegil]

Let's chill guys, and save it for the aggression for the game.

Funny, when I started this thread, I linked to several discussions threads, stating this is just for the poll and it's been discussed enough. Guess I was wrong.

At this point every argument for both sides have been made...several times. I call this horse dead and beaten.

(courtesy of webwhitenoise.com)

 

[Hans Ludwig]

You know Dwin, several people have done exactly that, several people have engaged your arguments with valid counter points, that much is apparent to anyone who scrolls through thease pages, but you have wholesale ignored the brunt of them, and now, you are throwing a tantrum, calling us all drooling idiots with no capacity for logic or reason, because we don't instantly agree with you.

For someone that uses a million dollar word such as Ad Hominem, you would think that they would know what a comma splice is. lol