For a mod claiming realisim...

[Santini]

Why make the F2, not the H, or even the G varient of the Panzer IV?
They didn't even produce 200 of the PZ IV F2...
As compaired to the 1700 G's and 3774 H's...

It's a step up of 30mm of armor AND anti AT SKIRTS!
+30mm (80mm of armor) and Shurzen! (Those funny skirt thingys) AND the L/48 gun instead of the L/43!
(About +15mm of penetration)

*Scratchs head*
Anyhow...
An IV H Would be awesome AND more in line with realisim

Thanks

 

[Wolfsglen]

Well that may be true for the Mod Version, but this is the forum for the as yet unreleased non-mod Retail version, and we just dont know everything that may be included with it yet

But, good point still.

 

[Pycckuu]

It was done because the F2 appeared somewhat earlier than the other models, so earlier war scenarios were possible. And since very few people can tell the difference between the 2, it could pass as a G to an untrained eye.

 

[Manstein]

while the may only have produced 200 F2's, many many Ausf D's E's and F1's were upgraded to the F2, and then further to the G, just something to consider

 

[Jack]

Well that may be true for the Mod Version, but this is the forum for the as yet unreleased non-mod Retail version, and we just dont know everything that may be included with it yet

But, good point still.

Well if you go to "Overview" on the main page of the ROOST site, then "Vehicles," apparently the F1 and F2 are still the subtypes of the Panzer IV modelled, no G or H in the listing.

 

[[TW]Wilsonam]

Well - lob us a couple of $m and we'll add in every variant The biggest problem is trying to be "representative" on a small budget. The F1 and F2 are obviously very similar at the core, keeping the modelling work-load down while still being able to include a long and short version of the Pz IV.

 

[Santini]

Skirts are simple to model, though...

 

[Maschine Pistole-38]

Why make the F2, not the H, or even the G varient of the Panzer IV?
They didn't even produce 200 of the PZ IV F2...
As compaired to the 1700 G's and 3774 H's...

It's a step up of 30mm of armor AND anti AT SKIRTS!
+30mm (80mm of armor) and Shurzen! (Those funny skirt thingys) AND the L/48 gun instead of the L/43!
(About +15mm of penetration)

*Scratchs head*
Anyhow...
An IV H Would be awesome AND more in line with realisim

Thanks

That isn't realism, its authenticity

 

[Felix Ostheim]

Maybe sometime in the future there will be skirting, I'de like to see it

 

[Pyros777]

I'm sure more variants of tanks would eventually be in the game. For now I'm just glad the selection we DO have is there.

 

[Shadehunter]

If you want every tank out there... buy more than one copy of RO:O, and they will deliver..

And if tank armor is modeled to a tee, aka. realistic damage probabilities, deflections, penetration's, etc. skirting would defenatly be wanted for the tank commander in you.

And hey, they can easily add it in the future if things go well for them... so again.. buy buy buy (when its out that is)

Shadehunter

 

[Mormegil]

Well what might be in order then is a Vehicle SDK.


Most people who've played Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator, know there's quite an active community of plane builders out there. Check out avhistory.org, and you can download loads and loads of variants of different planes - fighters, bombers, even cargo planes.

The problem with this system is, not everyone has the same planes, but everyone has the popular ones.

This of course would require that the game engine would allow different user vehicles to be used.


Anyways, just a thought.

It might be better to go the IL-2/Madox way, and have users able to make planes and submit them to Oleg to get the occasional approval.

 

[SgtH3nry3]

Well in the 1944 D-Day game the plan was to include all available tanks in Normandy in that exact period.
But there will be another additive of most of all existing available prototype weapons which were available.

So you could simulate what would happen if the Maus would be used in Normandy.
(I don't think it would be such of a problem though )

You might find 2 or more FG-42's in the whole area of 25600km

 

[Nyles]

It was done because the F2 appeared somewhat earlier than the other models, so earlier war scenarios were possible. And since very few people can tell the difference between the 2, it could pass as a G to an untrained eye.

The paintjob plays a very important role here, because with the tan colour it has in the mod version, it can't really be used for early war as this type of paintjob started to appear in early '43 for the first time. Before that German tanks were grey.

I know that this is is just another small detail, but details like that make or break the authenticy and realistic atmosphere of games for hardcore players with the proper knowledge.

I mean you could even argument that the Panther in RO 3.3 is not suited for any Kursk scenario as it is not the A variant but the G variant or that the white stripes along the turret of the IS-2 were seen the first time in spring '45 with the attack on Berlin, etc.

 

[FYROM]

The paintjob plays a very important role here, because with the tan colour it has in the mod version, it can't really be used for early war as this type of paintjob started to appear in early '43 for the first time. Before that German tanks were grey.

I know that this is is just another small detail, but details like that make or break the authenticy and realistic atmosphere of games for hardcore players with the proper knowledge.

I mean you could even argument that the Panther in RO 3.3 is not suited for any Kursk scenario as it is not the A variant but the G variant or that the white stripes along the turret of the IS-2 were seen the first time in spring '45 with the attack on Berlin, etc.

The devs are one step ahead of you Check out these two pics, they clearly show a Panther and Pz-IV with grey camo schemes.

http://www.gamecloud.com/img/orig/00/24/10/005.jpg
http://www.gamecloud.com/img/orig/00/24/10/001.jpg

I hope they actually have multiple skins, at least for some tanks. It would be great to have winter camo with crudely applied whitewash instead of having tan, grey and green tanks rolling around in the snow.

 

[Nyles]

Well it depends, if there will be tan coloured tank painting besides.

At least for the Panther, the grey one doesn't really make that much sense, although it could be justified I guess, if it would be a Panther type A. For the announced G variant tan colour or a later pattern like ambush or distortion, would be the better choice, depending on the setting of the scenario in which it is used.

 

[Jack]

While we are on the subject of authenticity, I just thought I would add that the Panther D, and not the A, was actually the first sub-type used.

I know it goes against common sense, but for reasons that are still not explained entirely, the D actually appeared before the A, then of course the G variant came.

The only explanation I can think of, is that seeing as how there were numerous problems with the initial Panther (e.g. too much strain on suspension, flawed mantlet design, etc.) prototypes, the designers quickly tried to address issues, and the result was that they said "well, this isn't really the first Panther anymore, seeing as how we added a bunch of extra armor to the front, changed the suspension, geared the engine differently, blah blah, all at the last minute, so its actually the 'D' series" But then shortly thereafter, when the problems in the design were ironed out, the thinking was probably that "Well, those first models were produced hurridly and in limited amounts, so we were maybe a bit hasty calling it the 'D,' lets just start fresh and say we have our first, definitive 'A' version..."

The G was similar to the A, except the slope of the armor was increased on the sides, to about 55 degrees or so if I remember right, and there was a different cupola arrangement. Of course, both the A and G differed from the D in that the "pop-up" hatch for the driver and bow machine gun were replaced with a standard hatch and ball mount, respectively, not to mention the numerous other little changes that made it a better tank all around, like fixing the mantlet chin.


BTW, I also think it is appropriate to have the grey scheme with the Panther, but this would have to be very early in the Panther's lifespan. Most Panthers that were first field tested had a plain camo scheme, and in Italy, a few were rushed so quickly to the front that they were in this "prototype white" scheme.

But yeah, definitely on any late 1943 or afterwards maps, the Panther and Tiger will need ambush schemes.