Flamethrowers and swords
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If the flammenwerfers are implemented, the fire they put out should look like liquid almost. Like you're spraying a hose full of burning fuel. If you've ever played Men of War, you know what I'm talking about.
This video demonstrates it pretty well.
Men of War: Worth Its Point Cost in Tank Crewmen? Episode 5: Flamethrower - YouTube
About the Katanas, agree completely about full suppression when you get close enough. maybe you could go even further and make people fumble with magazines and clips trying to reload while they're being charged.
This video demonstrates it pretty well.
Men of War: Worth Its Point Cost in Tank Crewmen? Episode 5: Flamethrower - YouTube
About the Katanas, agree completely about full suppression when you get close enough. maybe you could go even further and make people fumble with magazines and clips trying to reload while they're being charged.
I die from bayo stabbings quite a bit in HOS. See no reason the katana would not get used. It should not be the instant death weapon. More like the bleeding out but able to pull the trigger a time or two like you see in HOS. I supposed that would depend on where the hits are. Being stabbed by a sword was not the instant off switch you see on TV. Many times people took days to die from stabbings.
Spada II has an article in it about the medical reality of historical wounds. Worth the read if you want a dose of reality in your swordsmanship.
http://www.amazon.com/SPADA-II-An-Anthology-Swordsmanship/dp/1891448358
Spada II has an article in it about the medical reality of historical wounds. Worth the read if you want a dose of reality in your swordsmanship.
http://www.amazon.com/SPADA-II-An-Anthology-Swordsmanship/dp/1891448358
Then there's also the fact that Julius Caesar took 20+ stab wounds to kill...
...but that looks like a book I might have to pick up.
the katana isn't a stabbing weapon. it's a slicing weapon, as in slice off an arm or a head. i don't think i'd be able to shoot back after someone trying to cut me in half with one.
the katana isn't a stabbing weapon. it's a slicing weapon, as in slice off an arm or a head. i don't think i'd be able to shoot back after someone trying to cut me in half with one.
I agree, but on the other hand would a slicing weapon be easily to block if you're holding a rifle in your hands and the attack comes from your front. A stabbing weapon on the other hand is harder to block.
this odachi sword confirmed to be a hero weapon for Japan, thanks to my anonymous tipper
more info here
404'ed but I googled it - seems there is a historical precedent for the stupidly large swords of jrpg
i'm no expert on swordplay, but if i were trained, i'd feel pretty confident going up against a guy with a rifle. at least an unloaded rifle, that is.
remeber, the gi's were trained to parry against guys with rifles and bayonets, not guys with swords. i think personaly think the guy with the sword has the advantage. i think the katana is thick enough to stab or slice but i'd rather be taking hunks off you knowing that it's not something you trained for.
i'm no expert on swordplay, but if i were trained, i'd feel pretty confident going up against a guy with a rifle. at least an unloaded rifle, that is.
remeber, the gi's were trained to parry against guys with rifles and bayonets, not guys with swords. i think personaly think the guy with the sword has the advantage. i think the katana is thick enough to stab or slice but i'd rather be taking hunks off you knowing that it's not something you trained for.
The swordsman isn't necessarily at an obvious advantage. Depending on the quality of the blade, it may be brittle and break by a block of the iron parts of a rifle, the edge of the blade will be heavily damaged regardless. They are not made for that kind of use. They are very different from western blades. If I could choose a sword it would be a bastard sword MOhaha, japs need bigger muscles.
Even so I still want them in-game
sneaking up on a few oppontents then slashing them away with my katana, oooOO YEAH!
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The common modern way to test a sword is to cut a rolled tatami mat. Youtube vids of guys test cutting with sharp swords are available.
Ronin Katana Dojo Pro Test Cutting - Samurai Sword vs Single & Triple Mats - YouTube for example.
However they alway show a man cutting the tatami mat, you never see a tatami mat covered by a pair of long johns, a regulation GI shirt and a field jacket. I believe that would totally change the effectiveness of the cut. Not that I am willing to put on a WW2 uniform and let someone try it.
So Thats why I believe if the katana is included, it should take 1 headshot to kill, 2 or 3 body shots. with the man able to partly function after the first hit.
fwiw I have cut tatami mats and its not as easy as it looks.
Ronin Katana Dojo Pro Test Cutting - Samurai Sword vs Single & Triple Mats - YouTube for example.
However they alway show a man cutting the tatami mat, you never see a tatami mat covered by a pair of long johns, a regulation GI shirt and a field jacket. I believe that would totally change the effectiveness of the cut. Not that I am willing to put on a WW2 uniform and let someone try it.
So Thats why I believe if the katana is included, it should take 1 headshot to kill, 2 or 3 body shots. with the man able to partly function after the first hit.
fwiw I have cut tatami mats and its not as easy as it looks.
Robert Leckie recounted in his short history of WWII the story of a Marine who indeed went up against a sword-armed Japanese officer on Guadalcanal armed with a (presumably empty) Springfield rifle during the attack of the Sendai Division on the night of October 25-26. "Gaston fought a Japanese officer, parrying saber swings with his rifle, until the rifle was hacked to pieces. Then Gaston kicked at the blade. Unaware that part of his leg was cut away, he kicked high--and caught the officer under the chin and broke his neck." (page 470, Delivered from Evil)
It appears to be drawn from Col. Mitchell Paige's memoir. Gaston was manning a Browning M1917 in Paige's machine gun section:
"Gaston was flat on his back, scrambling away from a Japanese officer who
was hacking at him with a two-handed Samurai sword and grunting with the
exertion. Gaston tried desperately to block the Samurai sword with a Springfield he had picked up off the ground, apparently Leiphart's. One of his legs was badly cut from the blows. The rifle soon splintered. The Japanese officer raised his sword for the killing thrust and Gaston, with maniac strength, snaked his good leg up and caught his man under the chin with his boon docker, a violent blow that broke the Japanese's' neck."
It appears to be drawn from Col. Mitchell Paige's memoir. Gaston was manning a Browning M1917 in Paige's machine gun section:
"Gaston was flat on his back, scrambling away from a Japanese officer who
was hacking at him with a two-handed Samurai sword and grunting with the
exertion. Gaston tried desperately to block the Samurai sword with a Springfield he had picked up off the ground, apparently Leiphart's. One of his legs was badly cut from the blows. The rifle soon splintered. The Japanese officer raised his sword for the killing thrust and Gaston, with maniac strength, snaked his good leg up and caught his man under the chin with his boon docker, a violent blow that broke the Japanese's' neck."
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I really wonder the quality of the swords at that time. They were mass prodused and afik they were not considered mainly as a fighting weapon, but more of a symbol.
Here a link of different swords used: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_98_Military_Sword[/URL]
The Guntō (military sword) which were used.
But I am really not sure.. More sources is needed...
Here a link of different swords used: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_98_Military_Sword[/URL]
The Guntō (military sword) which were used.
But I am really not sure.. More sources is needed...
The ones that were issued by the army were of poor quality, yes, but I think that they'd do they're jobs well enough.
More importantly, in the Japanese military, Officers were expected to procure their own weapons. There were no standard issue sidearms, the nambu just happened to be a popular piece at the time of WW2. Many officers purchased superior foreign designs (like in LFIJ). Many of the Katanas used were heirlooms or commissioned pieces, but I am unaware of the proportion of quality to mass produced blades.
The swords in use by the japanese during WW2 varied in quality. A great many officers would have carried a family blade, these would have been traditionally made and well up to the job of hacking through someone. As the ranks got lower the swords got lower in quality most of the time. The NCO's were issued swords by the army which would have been massed produced, early ones were still quite capable of causing a mess, as the war went on quality would have slipped abit but any sharp 3ft long piece of steel will make a mess of your body if used correctly
I searched around some more I found similar info tanaka88.
There is was from the start some swords which were handed down through families, there was a stock of good swords from the start. Up to mid-1942 the quality of prodused swords could be considered not bad, but not great either. As until then there was alot of different forging types at different places, after that it became more and more machine-made and became closer to very long knifes, at the end of the war. Though not very effective, you could probobrly use it to kill with.
The conclusion is that the swords NCO used, could be used effectively as a sword. -Highly likely at the early stages at the war, but later less likely. The later models, more a long knife not very sharp can still do alot damage, but they would not as effective nor durable.
There is was from the start some swords which were handed down through families, there was a stock of good swords from the start. Up to mid-1942 the quality of prodused swords could be considered not bad, but not great either. As until then there was alot of different forging types at different places, after that it became more and more machine-made and became closer to very long knifes, at the end of the war. Though not very effective, you could probobrly use it to kill with.
The conclusion is that the swords NCO used, could be used effectively as a sword. -Highly likely at the early stages at the war, but later less likely. The later models, more a long knife not very sharp can still do alot damage, but they would not as effective nor durable.
Metal quality is far from the only factor in determining a sword's effectiveness. Yes, it is of critical importance when considering how long the blade will maintain an edge, or how easily it will chip, wear, or break, but as far as killing power is concerned, personal strength, training, and the deadly efficient design of the weapon make it more than lethal enough.
It certainly appears that the Japanese had absolutely no trouble beheading people with the Shin Gunto. That unfortunately well-known fact alone should speak for its limb-severing potential.
It certainly appears that the Japanese had absolutely no trouble beheading people with the Shin Gunto. That unfortunately well-known fact alone should speak for its limb-severing potential.
This also, from Eugene Sledge's book 'With The Old Breed'
"Several men had been wounded by the firing when two enemy officers crept up the steep slope, threw grenades into the gun emplacement, and jumped in swinging their samurai sabres. One marine had parried a sabre blow with his carbine. His buddy had then shot the Japanese officer, who fell backwards a short distance down the slope. The sabre blow had severed a finger and sliced through the mahogany carbine forestock to the metal barrel."
"Several men had been wounded by the firing when two enemy officers crept up the steep slope, threw grenades into the gun emplacement, and jumped in swinging their samurai sabres. One marine had parried a sabre blow with his carbine. His buddy had then shot the Japanese officer, who fell backwards a short distance down the slope. The sabre blow had severed a finger and sliced through the mahogany carbine forestock to the metal barrel."
Katanas were tested on the bodies of convicted criminals and the better ones would easily cut a man clean in half across his waist with a single strike, with the very best making it through two bodies, and stories tell of 3 body weapons
Search on Youtube for Isao Machii to see a katana cut through pretty much everything.
Search on Youtube for Isao Machii to see a katana cut through pretty much everything.