Flamethrower?

[Mormegil]

Couldn't find a single trace of soviet usage of the molotov coctail. Of course, the soviets named them differently, but I don't know what was their russian name.

Young Padawan, you must improve your Google-Fu.

http://www.battlefield.ru/en/articles/344-molotov-coctail.html

You know it's named after a Russian? Supports the use of it by the Soviets. I've seen documentary footage of these things being made by the thousands in Soviet distilleries. I was most impressed with the chemical fuses, requiring no pre-lighting.

 

[WiFiDi]

Young Padawan, you must improve your Google-Fu.

going for a starwars/kungfu reference there, i like it

 

[RiccardoTheBeAst]

Flamethrowers and molotovs are a MUST. After the G41, Mkb42, MP-40II and AVT-40 would be really absurd to keep them out of the game.

And, also, they would be really really funny and they will add "something more" to the gameplay.

It's full of Communists too...

LOL, there is one communist every 10 nazis. In these forums.

(InB4: "Communist!" "Stalin fan!" and the same "I-am-TEH-big-man-behind-the-monitor" that in the last time downvotes me really often )

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

Finns in winter 39/40 with Waffen-SS camouflage smocks and helmet covers?

I'd like him to explain the K98k and 7.92x57 ammo pouches as-well

 

[Citadell]

Young Padawan, you must improve your Google-Fu.

http://www.battlefield.ru/en/articles/344-molotov-coctail.html

You know it's named after a Russian? Supports the use of it by the Soviets. I've seen documentary footage of these things being made by the thousands in Soviet distilleries. I was most impressed with the chemical fuses, requiring no pre-lighting.

Beeing named after a russian does NOT support the usage of Soviet troops.

After all, the name was meant to mock the Soviets by the Finns when the Soviet troops fell bombs over Finland, claiming that it was food beeing sent to the starving Finns, giving the bombs the name "Molotov bread baskets".
Taking inspiration, mostly from the Spanish Civil War, the Finns gave this new improvised incindiary weapon the name "Molotov cocktail". "A drink to go with the food!"

The Soviet's usage of the weapon came later.

Why they used Molotov's name is because he was the one broadcasting the claims that the bombs were food.

 

[ViiKumi]

Young Padawan, you must improve your Google-Fu.
You know it's named after a Russian? Supports the use of it by the Soviets.

Okay, I haven't checked the link yet, but that quoted statement made me facepalm with the force of a thousand Jean-Luc Picards.

Also, like I said, I haven't seen any footage of them produced in soviet union, though I know that they were mass produced in finnish distilleries (by Alko)

 

[Wesreidau]

The Russians also manufactured their own in three varieties, one self-igniting and two inflammable, while the Germans also made their own self-igniting petrol bombs. As did the British, as did the Americans. And anywhere infantry just needed an anti-tank weapon and had a little preparation time, they cooked them up themselves.

 

[Mormegil]

Okay, I haven't checked the link yet, but that quoted statement made me facepalm with the force of a thousand Jean-Luc Picards.

Also, like I said, I haven't seen any footage of them produced in soviet union, though I know that they were mass produced in finnish distilleries (by Alko)

Then please, check the link. I figured it was common knowledge that Molotov cocktails were used by the Soviets in Stalingrad.


Anyways, you guys got me on the "being named after a Russian" thing. I knew that at some point (it's even in the link), but somehow slipped my mind (maybe because it seemed too funny).

 

[Wesreidau]

Incontrovertial proof German troops used incendiary bottles (Brandflaschen) against Soviet tanks in early 1942, with proof the Soviets used similar devices as well.

Back on the subject of flamethrowers, it occurs to me the nature of a flamethrower isn't all that condusive to lighting buildings on fire. Sure, it throws fire at things. But it also consumes all the oxygen on the spot in a quick fireball that doesn't give much time for materials to start combusting. So long as the flamethrower leaves behind plenty of black char at longer ranges and splotches of burning fuel at shorter ranges, I think it will be quite plausible.

To account for radiant heat from the flames, oxygen deprivation and general shock I think having flamethrowers fired at you should cause suppression to max out instantly and even stun troops who suddenly are too busy shielding their face with their arms to shoot properly. Being within as much as five or ten feet line-of-sight should be enough to suffer this effect. Staying in the heat rather than running away would start dealing damage, and of course, getting hit by the monster throws you in slow death.

My biggest concern is making sure the flames 'bounce' when the the fuel stream hits a wall, letting you flush out rooms corners. Return to Castle Wolfenstein springs to mind as a shining example of a flamethrower that could really clear a room with impunity. And wouldn't it be nice, on the flamethrower models that supported this, to be able to just hose down an enemy bunker with unlit fuel and wait for the enemy to reconsider their political affiiliation? Even the Rising Storm team should take note, as that was about the only way to get Japanese to surrender.

 

[Bluehawk]

The ability for the flames to penetrate miniscule cracks would be an incredible inclusion if it were possible. Maybe use the same code for bullet penetration on a material-by-material basis. Fire a stream at an old dilapidated brick and mortar wall and a thinner but just as lethal stream comes out the other side, cooking the enemy within. If you could use the map's decals as separate materials, mappers could deliberately place cracks for flamethrowers to exploit.

 

[dogbadger]

i'd like to see molotovs being used as an AT device; with tanks having a surface 'hitbox' shaped above the engine grille - smash one on to that and the engine starts to burn.
Similarly, didn't germans place explosives/mines between the top of the hull and underside of the rear turret overhang of russian tanks?

creating a flamethrower with a dynamic flame that reacts to the environment - gets shaped around objects, squeezes through gaps etc. is a similar but bigger ask than smoke that is contained within building structures.
It's not something i'd expect to see in a game any time soon.

 

[Wesreidau]

I wouldn't see flamethrower blasts penetrating a busted up wall, and practically speaking those effects wouldn't be terribly lethal. But the various pockmarks and loopholes in walls and fences provide plenty of ways to get a blast inside a wall and radiant heat / suffocation effects to kill or drive out anyone inside.

 

[stewiesboys]

it sounds like a awesome idea but again i don't think flamethrowers were used in Stalingrad but the only thing that i worried bout is with the flame thrower is if they add it is it going to turn into some call of duty crap idk im so happy that ro isnt filled with 10 years old and younger kids im 14 and i love how that is when u get on call of duty and these random kids saying **** u and suck my dick and all these things its annoying and not fun on ro since everyone is mature u really work together as a team to get to the next objective and so on it makes the game so much more fun and better in every way

 

[Blinde]

it sounds like a awesome idea but again i don't think flamethrowers were used in Stalingrad

I don't have the Beevor Stalingrad book with me today, but yesterday I was reading about how the Russians were using flamethrowers to winkle out the last resistance in Stalingrad after the surrender. I don't know when they started using them in Stalingrad though, but given they were in use in WW1 I'd be surprised if the Russians didn't have them before the war, so it would be a matter of supply in the area, and the Russian troops inside the city were very short of some sorts of supplies.

but the only thing that i worried bout is with the flame thrower is if they add it is it going to turn into some call of duty crap idk im so happy that ro isnt filled with 10 years old and younger kids im 14 and i love how that is when u get on call of duty and these random kids saying **** u and suck my dick and all these things its annoying and not fun on ro since everyone is mature u really work together as a team to get to the next objective and so on it makes the game so much more fun and better in every way

I'm not wanting to be mean here, but I'd really appreciate it if you looked into the concept of punctuation and formatting to make your posts easier to read. It's more likely to have your posts read and taken seriously.

 

[Blues07]

Many spies will burn.

 

[Landrik]

it sounds like a awesome idea but again i don't think flamethrowers were used in Stalingrad

They were used extensively by Pionier Battalions on the assault. Since it was so dangerous to operate the weapon, the flamethrower troops were usually called in when there was an enemy strongpoint that would've been suicidal to go through even with an SMG such as bunkers.

 

[89ShadowUK]

Flamethrowers I'm not so found of for the idea, to make it realistic, that unit would have to ignite when shot, with 64 players firing at each other, I don't think he'd last very long.

Molotov cocktails though!? Brilliant idea! Would be very good to have for withdrawing from combat, clearing enemys out of a house (Nades will obviously do the trick, but if there's a fire down there, that house can't be reoccupied so easily), or cutting off enemy retreats.

GO MOLOTOVS!

 

[Wesreidau]

Flamethrowers as unlockable alternatives to satchel charges for the Pioneers and Sappers would be a great thing indeed. WW2 was really the big show for flamethrowers, and it seems illogical to assume there were no flamethrowers in Stalingrad from 42 to 43 when they were standard weapons for both army's engineer units.

 

[Bluehawk]

This pic is supposedly from Stalingrad.

 

[Moyako]

These forums are full of neo nazis.

Well, that's inevitable in any forum with WWII stuff

It's full of Communists too...

Maybe, but neo nazis are easier to troll