Public server being the key words here. A group of six folks that you all know and are all team-players - Killing Floor will have a whole new meaning of awesomeness.
Fixing the M14, once and for all.
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Public server being the key words here. A group of six folks that you all know and are all team-players - Killing Floor will have a whole new meaning of awesomeness.
I'm no longer playing on them
! But some players want to meet new people on Suicidal and most of the time, late joiners or inexperienced players with powerfull weapons are screwing the whole game.I'm level 6 in most of my perks, including SS and commando. I play suicidal only and I try to stick on FF 100% servers.
You said there are no drawbacks of the M14EBR and I proceeded to give you a list of drawbacks and you then shot back with a generic statement that all weapons take multiple kills. I gave you characteristics as to why this is a drawback due to the comparison I made with the Crossbow. How is not penetrating power not a drawback when you can kill 5-6 enemies with one shot of an AA12 or the Crossbow? Also, You do run out of ammo with the M14 quite regularly on the Hard/Suicidal difficulties if you're a Rambo sharp. On suicidal, it's two-three shots per clot depending on where you hit them. Even a headshot isn't guaranteed.
Are you sure you've played Suicidal before?
Reload: If you had dedicated your life to a rifle, you'd be really fast are reloading it also. It's particular to the perk.
Recoil: If you had dedicated your life to shooting this weapon and mastering it, recoil wouldn't be a problem. Recoil reduction is done for all the perks.
Rate Of Fire As Fast As You Can Click: Semi-automatic fire is still slower than automatic fire. The AA12 is automatic and can rip through a whole wave of specimens - effectively being AA12 spammers. Where are the complaint threads about those guys?
The M14EBR is supposed to be more powerful because in team-play, the Sharpshooter is only suppose to be for the big-guys. So, in theory, if you played on Hard/Suicidal with six of your friends who are all a different perk and who are all team players, this problem of yours would disappear.
Your problem is that you play on Normal regularly in public servers - where all the M14 Spammers are; thus an M14 Nerf would make your gaming experience more enjoyable because you do not want to play on Hard/Suicidal.
Also, Suicidal is only ever easy when you have a good team - or when you play by yourself on Solo with a Level 6 Sharpshooter perk.
Ok then, those are drawbacks, but there miniscule compared to the drawbacks of other guns, you said you run out of ammo quite regularly on hard or suicidal, then you must be spamming, which isnt what a sharpshooter is supposed to do, thats one of my points confirmed.
AA12 has very low ammo, spamming that will only get you so far and its damage per shot isnt even as much as the normal shotgun, Hunting shotgun has a painfully long reload speed every time you alt fire, plus its automatic, x bow has limited ammo and again, a long reload speed to compensate for its massive damage bonus ( even then, i think the crossbow needs a nerf aswell ), scar does less damage than m14 per shot, has large recoil and no laser ( i also think this is a tad too powerful )
demolitions is terrible in confined spaces and is prone to killing himself and creating smoke screens all the time.
None of the M14's "drawbacks" match these.
If you had dedicated your life to being a sharpshooter, surely you wouldnt spam rounds constantly and instead would make every shot count?
and no, my problem isnt that i play in normal servers, i never once said that, where did you get that idea from?
Magic words - because the weapon isn't the problem - it's the people using the weapon. So set up private servers on Hard/Suicidal with people you know and this problem is gone.
Because M14 Spammers affect your gameplay when you play on Normal-Public servers because of all the retarded folks that come in. These types of players die almost instantly on harder difficulties.
Also, all the problems/drawbacks you've mentioned are only drawbacks one would notice when using the perk in a way that it's not meant to be used. Nerfing all the weapons that you think are too powerful won't change the way people play. Instead of the EBR they'll just use something else - whatever uses the most damage.
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It's OK, logical explanations rarely make their way into the minds of illogical people.
Have a nice day!
I didn't owned the game before the m14 update, but was there a lot of noobs in Suicidal servers?
You always run the risk of having these types of people come into public servers.
The best thing to do is make a server with your friends! Much more fun this way! You always run the risk of having these types of people come into public servers.
But not everyone can buy a server or host one
But not everyone can buy a server or host one
That's true. What I'd do is look at the Killing Floor groups in STEAM and add some and talk to the people there! There are a lot of people who play Killing Floor and I'm sure they won't mind making friends!
Truly amazing coming from someone who ignored all my points and questions and couldnt come up with a logical arguement for any of them.
and last post now, the m14 REWARDS players for spamming by killing everything easily. Thats why people spam it, like i said before the m14 breeds noobish play styles.
its overpowered, end of.
I thought you were ignoring me? Anyway, your problems would cease to exist if you'd play with a group of people that you know and regularly play with.
The weapon isn't the problem, it's you playing on Normal-Public servers, end of.
You obviously don't. I was just pointing out that my point of view is coming from a level 6 Sharpy, not a level 1 one. There is nothing I hate more than seeing a level 6 using the EBR with the laser, then fail to handle anything without. The laser is bad because way too many people rely on it to aim, and because of that we end up with high-level-but-low-skill sharpies that can't hit anything without the freaking laser, claiming they use it because the Ironsight suck, which is absolutely false.Which is exactly why you started this thread! I understand now!
The laser has absolutely no drawback, in a game where crosshairs (read: Ironsight) give you increased accuracy for the cost of mobility and reduced FOV.
The EBR does more damage per shot (Read: Bodyshot) than the Commando with a Scar, which makes no sense whatsoever. Sharpshooters should be about precision, skill and accuracy, and quickly dealing with targets by shooting the head. The laser and high body shot damage promotes spamming with a insanely powerful weapon, with a perk that can single handedly kill anything with ease.
The EBR needs a damage nerf along with a drawback or the removal of the laser, and the Commando needs a damage boost.
The reason I started this thread was to start a brainstorm on how to fix the gun.
When you'll be done insulting everybody, try to bring something constructive to the topic.
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1. Add a scope.
2. Remove the red dot.
3. Reduce rate of fire (effectively making it more of a sniper rifle).
No need to adjust damage in that case as you won't be spamming shots and actively trying to aim for the head.
I realize that this conflicts with the XBow's role a bit (high damage/snipe), but this type of weapon description is more consistent with what a "sharpshooter" should be imo.
2. Remove the red dot.
3. Reduce rate of fire (effectively making it more of a sniper rifle).
No need to adjust damage in that case as you won't be spamming shots and actively trying to aim for the head.
I realize that this conflicts with the XBow's role a bit (high damage/snipe), but this type of weapon description is more consistent with what a "sharpshooter" should be imo.
Don't you dare remove my amazing ironsight. You can't reduce the rate of fire effectively, see previous posts/pages.