The point is not that the EBR is noobish, its that the Laser has a benefit (crosshair) that is not needed and needs an actual drawback, hence the firerate reduction.
Fixing the M14, once and for all.
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The point is not that the EBR is noobish, its that the Laser has a benefit (crosshair) that is not needed and needs an actual drawback, hence the firerate reduction.
I seem to have pissed off a few people with my statement about HCs 
So i say this: how about pretending i said "using dual HCs isn't sharpshooting so much as spamming, which is similar to using an M14"
I never said they should use LAR over Xbow, i simply said it was acceptable to use it. How'd you get "lowbies must use LAR" out of "If you're a lower level (1-5) then a LAR is an acceptable weapon." Really. And i would rather have a team of sharpies using LAR than a single person using an M14.
And the dual HC is considered "noobish" because it promotes spamming, whereas a single HC is more along the lines of a sharpshooting weapon.
You're more likely to go "Blamblamblam" rather than " *aim* blam"
I like the 9mm part mate. I also seem the amount of ammo as a problem. If they can carry that much ammo, the weapon should weigh way more than it does now.
I myself use a single HC exclusively unless something big (i.e. scrake, fleshpound) comes my way. but if i need to make a hole i pull out the 9mm and head-level-spam my way out.
I see your point that the M14 isn't noobish, but tell me where in it's current use does it fit in with "sharpshooter"?
I have stated before that the EBR should be changed to the M14 used by the USMC honour guard. (i think that's the right group. don't quote me on that) Their version was modified to be effectively bolt-action, having to pull the charging handle after every shot. If TWI switched it to this one and removed the laser sight, i think the M14 could be an acceptable weapon to use. TWI could call it the M14HG (for honour guard).
Thank you for your time and consideration.
So i say this: how about pretending i said "using dual HCs isn't sharpshooting so much as spamming, which is similar to using an M14"
I cant see the problem with dual handcannons. You don't get any more ammo only almost double fire rate at the cost of precision. I wouldn't ever use the DualHc but only due to the fact that you cant "snipe" with it. But I fail to see why it would be considered noobish.
And why should lower levels use the LAR instead of Xbow? The only difference is the damage between the high/low level. I would say that higher levels should play with LAR since they Can do it.
My brother is a genuine sharpy aswell, it's his only level6 perk of which his got around 400hours only sharpshooter. And he always uses dualhc and LAR.
And one last, it's not even accepted to use the ebr if your team are about to lose.
I never said they should use LAR over Xbow, i simply said it was acceptable to use it. How'd you get "lowbies must use LAR" out of "If you're a lower level (1-5) then a LAR is an acceptable weapon." Really. And i would rather have a team of sharpies using LAR than a single person using an M14.
And the dual HC is considered "noobish" because it promotes spamming, whereas a single HC is more along the lines of a sharpshooting weapon.
You're more likely to go "Blamblamblam" rather than " *aim* blam"
I like the 9mm part mate. I also seem the amount of ammo as a problem. If they can carry that much ammo, the weapon should weigh way more than it does now.
I myself use a single HC exclusively unless something big (i.e. scrake, fleshpound) comes my way. but if i need to make a hole i pull out the 9mm and head-level-spam my way out.
I see your point that the M14 isn't noobish, but tell me where in it's current use does it fit in with "sharpshooter"?
I have stated before that the EBR should be changed to the M14 used by the USMC honour guard. (i think that's the right group. don't quote me on that) Their version was modified to be effectively bolt-action, having to pull the charging handle after every shot. If TWI switched it to this one and removed the laser sight, i think the M14 could be an acceptable weapon to use. TWI could call it the M14HG (for honour guard).
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Acutally I snipe with dual HC because I'm not a fan of the iron sight for single HC. It's not as bad as M14 or AK-47 iron sight but I feel it blocks too much of the bottom half of the screen.
Once you figure out where the centre of the screen is dual HC is as accurate as single. The rest is just your own fire discipline.
Once you figure out where the centre of the screen is dual HC is as accurate as single. The rest is just your own fire discipline.
Accurately decapitating by either hip-shooting or using the ironsight. Right now Headshots are still broken (not too much, but still annoying. Easy to see with gorefasts) so if they ever get around fixing the size of the headshot box, then I suggest reducing bodyshot damage. But since shotting the head doesn't guarantee an headshot right now, leave it at that. The problem is that I see way too many sharpshooters using the laser and relaying on it way too much.I seem to have pissed off a few people with my statement about HCs
So i say this: how about pretending i said "using dual HCs isn't sharpshooting so much as spamming, which is similar to using an M14"
I never said they should use LAR over Xbow, i simply said it was acceptable to use it. How'd you get "lowbies must use LAR" out of "If you're a lower level (1-5) then a LAR is an acceptable weapon." Really. And i would rather have a team of sharpies using LAR than a single person using an M14.
And the dual HC is considered "noobish" because it promotes spamming, whereas a single HC is more along the lines of a sharpshooting weapon.
You're more likely to go "Blamblamblam" rather than " *aim* blam"
I like the 9mm part mate. I also seem the amount of ammo as a problem. If they can carry that much ammo, the weapon should weigh way more than it does now.
I myself use a single HC exclusively unless something big (i.e. scrake, fleshpound) comes my way. but if i need to make a hole i pull out the 9mm and head-level-spam my way out.
I see your point that the M14 isn't noobish, but tell me where in it's current use does it fit in with "sharpshooter"?
The only times I use the Laser is when I'm in grave danger and I must not miss a shot.
I also end up arguing a lot with people about the laser. The classic argument I see is
"Why should he not use something that makes it easier for him?"
And my answer to that is always, because there's no drawback to that, and if he was worthy of his level 6, he'd be able to go around without it.
One last thing, if you want another proof headboxs are broken, go SS, get a xbow, get a clot, shoot very slightly above his head. He'll go down, not decapitated, and you weren't even aiming at his head. I would seriously rather have the laser removed, but I'll take what they will give us.
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I don't believe the M14 should be nerfed by rate of fire. The thing is that the M14 is known to be a semi-automatic rifle where semi-automatic means that the gun can fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. If the fire rate is lowered, then the rifle is not semi-automatic anymore and since the M14 is known to be semi-automatic, lowering its fire rate will just make it not possible to call the rifle an M14.
What I would do instead is keep the headshot damage the same but halve the damage when fired anywhere but the head. I think this will encourage people to aim with the M14 when they find out spamming the M14 isn't going to do as much damage as aiming
I agree if you're level 6 you don't need the laser, and the headshot box is also a rather annoying glitch.
And the m14 is also known to be fully automatic. But that's not in the game.
M14 is WAYYY overpowered...but I'm not sure that making it as slow as the LAR is a good thing...I mean techncially the LAR does more dmg than the M14, so if you were to make it a bolt actions (make it as slow as the LAR), what would be the point of having the m14 (except more ammo and the laser dot, which any level 6 sharpy worth his salt would NOT need). I'm not saying that I know how to fix it, but there's got to be another way...
For the Sharpshooter perk:
- Remove the body shot damage bonus to Sharpshooter weapons, and replace it with a headshot damage bonus for those weapons that is twice as powerful as the Sharpshooter's existing headshot bonus (and modify the latter so that it only applies to all other weapons).
- Tweak the recoil reduction bonus so that it only applies while the wielder is both stationary and using iron sights. (Optionally, with those tweaks in place, extend the bonus to apply to all weapons, except when firing full-auto.)
- Halve the reload speed bonus.
- Increase its weight to 8 blocks (up from 5).
- Decrease its maximum ammo capacity to 160 (down from 300).
- Cap its rate of fire at 80RPM (0.75s per shot).
- Fix the laser dot so that its position is predicted client-side, rather than waiting to be updated by the server. This change might also remove those "artefact lasers" that appear every so often.
- Fix the way its iron sights are displayed so that it is consistent across all display resolutions. With my old CRT monitor, running at 1024*768 (for the 100hz refresh rate), I agreed with those who called it too obstructive; now, at 1680*1050, I agree with those who say it's just fine. An educated guess would be that the problem lies with the way the iron sight field of view is calculated to accommodate different ratios, i.e., it's programmed to work well for widescreen resolutions, but was not tested at 4:3.
Much faster reload time, takes like 2 seconds to get 20 bullets again,
LAR takes much longer to refill half of that.
and plus, alot more ammo... lol, i say remove laser sight, reduce fire rate, and add a scope
it's not a sniper rifle. yes, the m14 is widely(or was) used as a sniper rifle, it is in fact a "battle rifle". battle rifles fire larger, more powerful rounds than assault rifles, yet smaller rounds than anti-tank rifles. essentially, it's a magnum assault rifle. because the rounds are bigger, you can't have as many per mag (hence, why the m14 has 20 round magazines). in real life, the m14 (especially its EBR, standing for EnhancedBattleRifle, version) are select-fire. you can designate fully auto or semi auto. In the semi auto role, it functions as a squad's designated marksman rifle (the designated marksman is a soldier not equipped w/ a sniper rifle, or an assault rifle. they can engage as a general rifleman, or take time and act as a mid-range sniper). fully auto, it can be used as a SAW (squad automatic weapon)
thank god tripwire decided to not implement the fully auto feature.
I read that, but remain unconvinced. It's a classic case of gameplay trumping realism. A rate of fire cap is appropriate in terms of how the weapon functions in the game, and all else is secondary.
This statement is completely uninformed...
The "USMC honor guard M14" Is a normal M14 (not a special USMC model) that is firing blanks, which unless a blank adapter is used (honor guards do not) the pressure from the blank will not have enough energy to cycle the action. No honor guard who uses functioning M14s modifies them past removing the fully automatic function by removing the selector switch (which was done to most M14s anyways).
So really you want the M14 to fire blanks so that it will not do any damage past around 7 yards, at which point the specimen MIGHT be blinded if it had its eyes open.
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I like the M14 as it is with a few exceptions.
I wish they would make it either an actual Mk. 14 EBR (compare pictures of the one in game, to a real EBR), or make it a SOCOM 16.
I would prefer a red dot or low-mid powered scope to the laser currently on it.
Making the weight more would be all too unrealistic, as the a stock M14 only weighs about 2lbs more than the SCAR-H, and with being cut down and put in a aluminum chassis it weighs only 1lb more than a SCAR H. If you add a high power scope, then I could see making it heavier, but otherwise its fine as it is.
This is courtesy of Wikipedia, which has cited references for it's information.
([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_rifle[/URL])
As you can see here, the M14 is not a sniper rifle, but is used more along the lines of a DMR (designated Marksman Rifle).
And now a quote to prove that the M14 has been made into an effectively bolt-action weapon:
So Neoco, would you like to maybe reconsider your statement?
The M14 was never a sniper rifle. It was a DMR, and lead to the making of 2 sniper rifles, but it itself was not a sniper rifle.
The reason they have to manually cycle a round is because they are using blanks without the rifle being adapted for them. There are NO honor guards that use live ammunition. The reason a blank adapted M14 is not used is because adapting a rifle to fire blanks reliably is expensive, so why pay for it when manually cycling the bolt works just fine. The most extensive "modification" would be tightening the gas port to restrict the gases from attempting to cycle the action (Firing a real cartridge out of a rifle like this would only cause it to partially cycle a round and end up jamming the weapon).
I am very suspicious about using wikipedia for detailed information on anything. That statement could either have been a typo somewhere that someone thought was correct (semi-automatic instead of fully automatic) or someone saw them rack the bolt and made up a reason why. If you can find me a non wikipedia (or wikipedia derived) source that states the Air Force had their M14s modified to remove semi-automatic fire then I will drop the issue.
BUT even if an honor guard uses it, why on earth would anyone use a rifle that has been effectively neutered when their life depended on it?
I seem to have pissed off a few people with my statement about HCs
I also think that using the 2x HC is useless. The sharpshooter is all about precision(Shaaaaarp-shooter) and as far as i'm concerned, you can't make precision shots with the HCs. +1 for CandleJack