Fix the unrealistically slow PTRS round

[Trotskygrad]

When I use the PTRS against infantry (on mamayev), I find that I have to lead targets by a ridiculously large amount, compared to the mosin-nagant or other guns. This is unrealistic as hell, since the PTRS has a much greater muzzle velocity than the mosin, so the bullet would reach the target faster and require less lead.

Please fix this.

 

[Guggy]

In addition, how is the penetration of the PTRS versus concrete IRL? I imagine it'd be a useful anti-sniper weapon ingame currently, but I havent had much luck penetrating most cover with it.

EDIT: In fact, it seems rifle caliber rounds dont penetrate even normal drywall ingame particularly well

 

[Proud_God]

EDIT: In fact, it seems rifle caliber rounds dont penetrate even normal drywall ingame particularly well

I also have the feeling penetration in general is lacking.

 

[Kommandant]

I also have the feeling penetration in general is lacking.

I have to agree. I'll spray a wall with an entire magazine from an LMG, and not get a single hit... It's kind of annoying...

 

[Andrew Blake]

In addition, how is the penetration of the PTRS versus concrete IRL? I imagine it'd be a useful anti-sniper weapon ingame currently, but I havent had much luck penetrating most cover with it.

EDIT: In fact, it seems rifle caliber rounds dont penetrate even normal drywall ingame particularly well

IRL they should be able to penetrate sand bags, but in game they can't AFIK. too bad really...

 

[Trotskygrad]

yeah the penetration on the PTRS on terrain is significantly lacking

buffing this would be great, it's not like the PTRS is extremely overpowered against infantry anyways, I would argue the opposite.

 

[Mekhazzio]

The PTRS has the highest velocity small-arms bullet in the game.

 

[Nikita]

I also have the feeling penetration in general is lacking.

It seems like beyond a certain distance, penetrative power drops off sharply. I was trying to test this on Grain Elevator the other day (to find out how to shoot through the walls of the Conveyor Tower) and I found that beyond maybe 50 meters, rifle bullets won't penetrate that grey texture of the tower itself. At closer ranges, however, they will in fact penetrate.

Doesn't make much sense to me, since a rifle round still maintains a vastly overwhelming majority of its velocity and energy after traveling even 200 meters.

 

[Andrew Blake]

yeah the penetration on the PTRS on terrain is significantly lacking

buffing this would be great, it's not like the PTRS is extremely overpowered against infantry anyways, I would argue the opposite.

It's powerful enough in terms of damage, imo.

 

[Proud_God]

Sorry for the slightly OT, but if anyone wants to test the penetration of different walls and bullets, add me on steam.

 

[Proud_God]

can't do it. the only "Proud God" i find on steam, doesn't own RO2.

Try Wakke.

 

[Trotskygrad]

The PTRS has the highest velocity small-arms bullet in the game.

are you sure that the game processes your stats correctly? because if you try it in game it definitely feels slow as hell.

And yes, the PTRS is fine damage wise... penetration wise it is not.

 

[clambo]

I have to agree. I'll spray a wall with an entire magazine from an LMG, and not get a single hit... It's kind of annoying...

On the other hand, I've cut practically buildings in half with the LMGs - even through the ceilings they penetrated. You can penetrate at least one wall in most of Barracks, Apartments, Spartanovka. Multiple kills per mag or belt.

 

[Mormegil]

i wouldn't be surprised if the client side hit detection isn't being applied to the AT rifle, as it's not currently applied to the tank weaponry.

 

[Kukki]

overally, AT Rifle feels underpowered when it comes to penetrating walls ando ther obstacles. Something is wrong with them. After GOTY patch you can sometimes deploy at rifle and until you redeploy it you'll shot with blank rounds that harm noone.

 

[Mekhazzio]

i wouldn't be surprised if the client side hit detection isn't being applied to the AT rifle, as it's not currently applied to the tank weaponry.

Good guess. I just checked, that's exactly the problem.

 

[MrHello]

Good guess. I just checked, that's exactly the problem.

Yeah, I've observed this problem before. I assumed it was just a mistake they were going to fix soon as they forgot.

 

[ross]

I also have the feeling penetration in general is lacking.

The ballistics in RO2 feel very lacklustre compared to Ostfront. Mekhazzio would be able to confirm/deny this for sure, but I don't think I see ricochets much (if at all) in this game - I jumped on Ostfront to quickly check out a map I never got to play before RO2 came along, and it wasn't long before I began blasting off rounds at things to watch the tracers skip along the ground before fizzling out. It may just be the new tracer effect not being quite as visually fetching, but I suspect ricochets in general are just not as much of a thing as they were in the first game. I know his mutator had an advanced ballistics option which added all sorts of fun things and made it feel a lot more satisfying, but I'm not sure if this was incorporated into the game or not.

I do remember seeing tank shells actually rolling off my front armour plate during beta, and was surprised they had such a detailed model, though

 

[Mekhazzio]

I've always missed the "laser" tracers from RO1. The effect was admittedly a bit over the top but it did look pretty cool. That was only a client-side graphical effect, though, none of the real shots behaved at all like that, and RO1's ballistics in general were a lot more crude than RO2's.

Anyhoo, in stock RO2, tank AP shot can skip and bounce under select conditions, but there's no ricochets or any other deviation on the bullets or tracers. My mutator didn't just toggle that on, that was all new from an overhaul of core shot behavior. TWI chose not to go with my redesign. Admittedly, it did have a higher bandwidth overhead than the stock model, so I can't fault them for it, but it does irk me to see the one-way wall penetration bug still in the game Even though the stock game has client-side hit detection now (huzzah) I'm idly pondering updating my mod just for weapon behavior changes, but I'm not sure if there's enough demand for such a thing to justify the labor.

 

[ross]

I would love to see it. There's no point in the game doing realism by halves... having things like adjustable sights and so on doesn't really seem consistent with the incredibly oversimplified vanilla ballistics.