Firebug only viable option?

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W00kiE

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C_Gibby pointed out the most important aspects allready.
As reply to OP - Sure the firebug can be very usefull in the hands of a skilled player, just like demos. But those 2 perks can also be a pain in the *** for the rest of the team when played poorly. It's all about skills and experience, knowing what, where and how to use them. And that takes time to learn :)

As I allready said, the firebug is a great asset in the hands of a good player, but is it necessary to have one in a team to survive? NAAAH!!!

Oh, and it beeing usefull for lighting up dark rooms? if you need puffs of fire to see the zeds, you might wanna check the graphics settings...
 

KON_Air

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Oh, and it beeing usefull for lighting up dark rooms? if you need puffs of fire to see the zeds, you might wanna check the graphics settings...

You are supposed to be unable to see zeds in dark rooms.

Winners don't use higher gamma and brightness to render darkness irrevelant.
 

Wolfdust

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Firebug is by no means the only viable option. I've won tons of games without a firebug.

It all depends on what is wiping the team. If a firebug is what's helping you survive the people you play with suck at crowd control - as that's what the firebug does - and thus a commando played properly should be equally adequate at keeping the team alive. Focus on the trash, and clear it out.

I think I would have to do that. Today was especially bad, server after server wiped out after scrakes show up, firebug can kill most of the stuff and even scrakes with full auto MAC-10 in the head, but me switching to MAC-10 to kill scrakes means no more crowd control and everything then fails.

As with Commandos, Firebugs should focus on crowd control and leave Scrakes/FPs to Sharpshooters, Demos, or Supports. If people piss it off 90% of the team is going to focus fire on it. Take the time enough to light it up but keep the crowd off of the team.

There really shouldn't be any problem with transitioning to Commando from Firebug, man. They fill the same roll, albeit slightly differently (where FB's unique twist on crowd control is DoT burn damage, Commando's twist the ability to extend out ZED time to an insanely life-saving degree)
 

C_Gibby

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Oh, and it beeing usefull for lighting up dark rooms? if you need puffs of fire to see the zeds, you might wanna check the graphics settings...

That, or stay out of the dark in the first place. :troll:

I'm never camping in a dark spot. At atmospheric and interesting as it is, it's not helpful when you're going for the win.
 

Waryn

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Wow, I am so disappointed with SCAR, there is something seriously wrong this gun, it is completely inconsistent damage and headshot wise, it has huge recoil, small magazine.

I found myself going back to bullpup where I know I can consistently behead most zombies instantly, and destroy whole groups with a single clip.

WTH is the point of SCAR then anyway, if its recoil is so horrible that you can use auto-fire only on short range, and it is inferior to bullpup in medium and long range?
 

C_Gibby

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WTH is the point of SCAR then anyway, if its recoil is so horrible that you can use auto-fire only on short range, and it is inferior to bullpup in medium and long range?

The commando is all about versatility and the SCAR gives the commando a little edge on sniping. The damage for SCAR is pretty damn high compared to the other guns for a single shot anyway and the recoil is quite manageable. When you level up a bit more, it'll get a lot easier as in the damage will increase, mag will increase and recoil will be reduced.
 

Jmb301530

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Also, if you're having troubles with the recoil, try switching to semi auto and doing rapid clicks...you can empty a mag most times almost as fast as if you were on full auto...and with much more accuracy.
 
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C_Gibby

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Also, if you're having troubles with the recoil, try switching to semi auto and doing rapid clicks...you can empty a mag most times almost as fast as if you were on full auto...and with much more accuracy.

This ^

I never really use full-auto unless we're talking about bigger ZEDs.
 

Deafmute

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Wow, I am so disappointed with SCAR, there is something seriously wrong this gun, it is completely inconsistent damage and headshot wise, it has huge recoil, small magazine.

I found myself going back to bullpup where I know I can consistently behead most zombies instantly, and destroy whole groups with a single clip.

WTH is the point of SCAR then anyway, if its recoil is so horrible that you can use auto-fire only on short range, and it is inferior to bullpup in medium and long range?

Are you serious...

What do you mean "inconsistent damage"? How on earth can damage be inconsistent? The numbers are all there in the code. The only thing making the damage of a weapon inconsistent would be how the player uses it.

I don't know what level your Commando is but at level 6 the recoil is manageable. It's really not good practice to use the SCAR on full auto unless you're mowing down a group or helping a teammate with a big zed. It's not inferior to the bullpup at long range. Use the scope. It's deadly.

As Gibby said, the SCAR makes Commando more versatile. Bullpup = laser gun, headshot machine. AK = good for short bursts at close-medium range, more heavy-hitting. SCAR = small mag size, high recoil but effective at any range. Long-medium range, scope on semi-auto. Close range panic mode, flip to full auto and mow em down.
 

Rainydaykid

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I think a lot of you are misreading OP's post. What OP means is that the team always wipes when he plays something other then Firebug, and only survives when he chooses Firebug. He wants to play Commando (apparently for the Zed-time extensions) but is forced to play Firebug because he doesn't want the team to wipe. Basically, it's the Medic Conundrum, only with Firebug (of all perks... :p).

I see firebug as a force multiplier. With it spraying crowds, I can use 9mm and bullpup more often, I think of it as making everyone else's weapons stronger.

As for commando weapons, I do the same as any other assault rifle in any other game. Leave it on auto and do ranger bursts. I like doing a 2 round burst on SCAR, it is very effective.
 
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Spoony

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WTH is the point of SCAR then anyway, if its recoil is so horrible that you can use auto-fire only on short range, and it is inferior to bullpup in medium and long range?


Try semi auto on medium-long range then switch to auto in close range.....There's a point of having different fire modes..
 

Waryn

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Are you serious...

What do you mean "inconsistent damage"?

Meaning that many times you hit gorefasts and clots on the head multiple times with SCAR and nothing happens while with bullpup you behead every single time with 1-3 shots, even when hip-firing.
 
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Deafmute

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Meaning that many times you hit gorefasts and clots on the head multiple times with SCAR and nothing happens while with bullpup you behead every single time with 1-3 shots, even when hip-firing.

Um. Haven't experienced this at all. Sounds like user error. Like I said, the only thing that would make damage inconsistent is how the player uses it.
 
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Sren

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That's all common sense, you might wanna direct that to people who have problems with logic and critical thinking, not me.

You really need to chill out on the elitism front, I read your other posts in this thread and it sounds as if your unwilling to 'learn the game' as it were. If your dying a lot on hard I'm guessing it's because your playing with a random group of people who aren't very coordinated. Try playing with friends so you can all set up positioning and class rolls that benefit the team.

You'll find people will be more willing to help you if you ask rather than acting like your the best KF player that's ever graced the game with your presence.
 
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W00kiE

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Meaning that many times you hit gorefasts and clots on the head multiple times with SCAR and nothing happens while with bullpup you behead every single time with 1-3 shots, even when hip-firing.

First time I use the :troll: emote....

Now SCAR is a really powerfull weapon. Even unperked I dare to say the only way a CLOT can survive SEVERAL hits to the HEAD with a SCAR is by simply beeing totally unable to aim...

And "even with hip-firing"... wth? iron sights/scope might make aiming easier, but increasing dmg?

Let me sum up my thoughts so it is totally clear: :troll:!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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