Yes I hope Festung Europa has pretty much the same gameplay as DH just enhanced functionality. I would love to see the ability to carry around loads of grenades for instance like in RO2 (at the cost of speed if you lug around tons of them). Also being able to go into a sprint from a prone position and things of that nature.
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This is really worth quoting. RO2 has so much fluff that, IMO, detracts from the gameplay. Give us all the content (sensible, commonly used) up front. If there are different versions or options available give us the choice at spawn/the loadout screen. Don't make us unlock it and then replace the old versions.
We also don't need multiple gameplay modes. What typically happens is some gameplay modes are half baked. For example, Rush in BF3. Variations of capture/objective based gameplay is fine, but do not drastically alter the play styles too much between the modes.
RO2 also has an odd "floaty" movement mechanic, and while running up stairs your face seemingly is just inches from the floor. This greatly annoys me and actually makes the game feel more clunky than RO1. Please don't make that mistaken. Ironically, BF3 features a slowed movement speed when going up stairs - something this game should mimic.
In short, make sure the game is realistic and gritty - and this should be the pure focus. Don't appease everyone. Little fluff but a strong core is what is needed.
Kind of like Red Orchestra, right?
Red Orchestra has discrete objectives and spawn locations (unless you count the SL spawn).
Now I agree with everything you listed, but the above quoted. What's your problem with client-side hit detection?
In my eyes, client-side hit detection is beneficial because it allows me (in China), to play with you (in the US) while not being bothered too much with my ping.
I'd say: include client-side hit detection.
It's perfectly understandable you feel that way considering your location. I've also had to adjust to the extra split second lead time necessary to land that distant shot while living in California and playing clan matches on deep European servers.
There's many ways to look at it, but it boils down to server-side hit detection being a major part of the skill based gameplay people are looking for. It was one of the mechanics that led to the success of Ostfront/DH and set them apart from what other games were doing.
In addition to this, client-side hit detection is only valuable for those living in extreme outlying areas with no servers near them. For the overwhelming majority of players (and no, I don't have hard data to refer to, but let's be honest with each other) this isn't an issue. You'll have servers all over Europe and the United States, as well as Australia. Most people will have no problems at all, and making a change like this, which does have a very real effect on the gameplay, for a very small group of people is not the right decision imo.
Hell, I remember Pongo from my clan who always had over 200 ping and he consistently kicked *** and led the scoreboard frequently. It's something you learn to adjust for (skill based), and honestly only takes a couple of rounds downrange to get a feel for how your own personal latency on any given server is going to effect how much you need to lead. I point to your forum signature.
When all you need to do is simply put your ironsights directly on the enemy regardless of distance to score a hit, the game slants much more into the twitch realm. Whereas if you have to calculate and get a feel for the lead you need to take as well as what the enemy might do as far as tactical movement, players actually miss more and this leads to longer firefights (something most people consider better gameplay). This tilts the game toward rewarding the very tangible skill of being able to judge all of these variables at once and being able to score hits where some can't or have a hard time doing the same. Again, skill based.
When you learn how to adjust and score hits in light of the variables, it is a very satisfying feeling, no? It's like leveling up except it's you the player leveling up your own personal skill, not some artificial leveling mechanic. I won't even mention the frustration of being shot after you've rounded a corner.. oh wait
This is why I recommend they go with server-side hit detection. For me, it really rides the game breaking line to not have it server-side. Maybe 'game breaking' is too much of a term to use, but it really lowers the satisfaction of the game to just be able to put my ironsights right on the guy and score a hit everytime, I mean, how rewarding is that?
There's many ways to look at it, but it boils down to server-side hit detection being a major part of the skill based gameplay people are looking for. It was one of the mechanics that led to the success of Ostfront/DH and set them apart from what other games were doing.
In addition to this, client-side hit detection is only valuable for those living in extreme outlying areas with no servers near them. For the overwhelming majority of players (and no, I don't have hard data to refer to, but let's be honest with each other) this isn't an issue. You'll have servers all over Europe and the United States, as well as Australia. Most people will have no problems at all, and making a change like this, which does have a very real effect on the gameplay, for a very small group of people is not the right decision imo.
Hell, I remember Pongo from my clan who always had over 200 ping and he consistently kicked *** and led the scoreboard frequently. It's something you learn to adjust for (skill based), and honestly only takes a couple of rounds downrange to get a feel for how your own personal latency on any given server is going to effect how much you need to lead. I point to your forum signature.
When all you need to do is simply put your ironsights directly on the enemy regardless of distance to score a hit, the game slants much more into the twitch realm. Whereas if you have to calculate and get a feel for the lead you need to take as well as what the enemy might do as far as tactical movement, players actually miss more and this leads to longer firefights (something most people consider better gameplay). This tilts the game toward rewarding the very tangible skill of being able to judge all of these variables at once and being able to score hits where some can't or have a hard time doing the same. Again, skill based.
When you learn how to adjust and score hits in light of the variables, it is a very satisfying feeling, no? It's like leveling up except it's you the player leveling up your own personal skill, not some artificial leveling mechanic. I won't even mention the frustration of being shot after you've rounded a corner.. oh wait
This is why I recommend they go with server-side hit detection. For me, it really rides the game breaking line to not have it server-side. Maybe 'game breaking' is too much of a term to use, but it really lowers the satisfaction of the game to just be able to put my ironsights right on the guy and score a hit everytime, I mean, how rewarding is that?
REZ, I often had to play RO 1 with a ping of 300 or even above that. And I totally understand what you mean with "skill-leading the target", because I had to do it for almost 6 years and became very good at it.
When RO 2 came out, I could basically not play the game because of the game being too fast to lead. The movement capabilities of players, such as sprint speed, turning direction basically on the spot while sprinting, only allowed me to play machinegunner. With a ping of just under 200 ms! For example, on Grain Elevator, I played Russian Machinegunner, aiming down from the 4th floor and literally had to shoot 1m-2m in front of an enemy to hope I hit him running that direction. I gave up on the game for some time until client-side hit detection was introduced. That's when the game became playable for me.
The only thing that I really fear of client-side hit detection is the doors it opens for cheaters.
I will finally return to Germany within this year and should have a better gaming environment when it comes to online play. Happy about that.
When RO 2 came out, I could basically not play the game because of the game being too fast to lead. The movement capabilities of players, such as sprint speed, turning direction basically on the spot while sprinting, only allowed me to play machinegunner. With a ping of just under 200 ms! For example, on Grain Elevator, I played Russian Machinegunner, aiming down from the 4th floor and literally had to shoot 1m-2m in front of an enemy to hope I hit him running that direction. I gave up on the game for some time until client-side hit detection was introduced. That's when the game became playable for me.
The only thing that I really fear of client-side hit detection is the doors it opens for cheaters.
I will finally return to Germany within this year and should have a better gaming environment when it comes to online play. Happy about that.
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Sounds like a proper RO sequel. We'll see how it turns out though, but it looks like they are interested in getting historical details right and will try and implement a detailed squad system.
Allot of hope here for this project - Just as long as Crytek gets their crap together.
I have been waiting for an public indie license for the Cryengine to come out for a year and a half now...
The fine folks over at Jackboot games have my respect and support when their game comes out
@Jackboot games -
Will you be using the early access model that so many games currently use? (MineCraft, Starforge, Kinetic Void, etc.)
I have been waiting for an public indie license for the Cryengine to come out for a year and a half now...
The fine folks over at Jackboot games have my respect and support when their game comes out
@Jackboot games -
Will you be using the early access model that so many games currently use? (MineCraft, Starforge, Kinetic Void, etc.)
But can you actually button the Zeltbahn manually? 0\10 I want my bicycle configuration.
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