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Agiusak

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Imagine this scenario: In every single game you're interested in playing, the player character is a flamingly gay man who doesn't speak any English.

Doesn't bother me. Yeah just make something similar to the trader or something. I mean it IS a female character so why are you guys complaining :s?
 
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Sammers

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I don't think female characters has anything to do with gender equality, more just a preference. Since the skins make no real difference though, it's not too great a demand and there's a good chance it wont ber worth all the extra work to add the new voices.
Again, I'd like to say I wouldn't mind this being added, but there's no real point to it.
 
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timur

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Doesn't bother me. Yeah just make something similar to the trader or something. I mean it IS a female character so why are you guys complaining :s?

Yes the trader is a female character that does nothing but runs away and hides every time zombies come, waiting to be saved by the men.

Now doesn't that just sound empowering to you?

Of course not, you bloody loon, now stop bein a gormless tosser before I weld your mouth shut with my support specialist powers!

And if I misheard you and you meant just making the trader a playable skin.....with a mans voice?

Well if were talking disregarding voices and all, then TWI could make loads of skins alone no problem, or perhaps a modder.

Actually, if we got a donor to lend her voice to TWI for free, and they just made the skins, wouldn't that be an easy way around it all?
 

Vaecrius

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Actually a lot of the downmods were me.

Now that it seems the forum is merely ignorant rather than acting in bad faith, I apologize.

EDIT: Now having just said that an endorsement from me is probably of little value in gaining rep (stat or actual) on this forum XD, but I'm going to second everything in timur's post above.
 
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Unit-05

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Yes the trader is a female character that does nothing but runs away and hides every time zombies come, waiting to be saved by the men.

Now doesn't that just sound empowering to you?


I guess not, but then again this is a video game made for profit. Meaning making the game with little funds spent with as much income gained as much as possible, if it makes the game cheaper for them as to hire the fewest amount of voice actors possible, They are going to do it. Sorry to say but most of the people who are buying are going to be males. out of the entire time of playing killing floor, I have only seen 19 girls ever while playing online.

We live in a monitary system, fairness and equality does not happen if it gets in the way of profit and money.

If you want female characters and voice acting, then get together and create a system where it will not also cost TWI nothing, but improve their profits by expanding the gameplay to accept more players of the female variety.

You can request all you want and wait and hope for it to happen.

Or.. Get as many members together and make a system of sorts that will make this possible. And I assure you many people (including me) will contribute to it.
 
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Agiusak

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Yes the trader is a female character that does nothing but runs away and hides every time zombies come, waiting to be saved by the men.

Now doesn't that just sound empowering to you?

Of course not, you bloody loon, now stop bein a gormless tosser before I weld your mouth shut with my support specialist powers!

And if I misheard you and you meant just making the trader a playable skin.....with a mans voice?

Well if were talking disregarding voices and all, then TWI could make loads of skins alone no problem, or perhaps a modder.

Actually, if we got a donor to lend her voice to TWI for free, and they just made the skins, wouldn't that be an easy way around it all?

Yes, she will run away and wait for rescue >_> It's the perfect plan... That reminds me of a lot of players online actually :s sad

Female models have been made, and I mean they could always ask for volunteers or friends irl >_> or wherever but then again they do have other updates to worry about D: like

**OMG NEW CONTAAANNTT PL0000xxxxxxxx IIIIIIVV BEEN WAITING FOR FOREEVARRR AND ONLYYYY STUFFFFZZ FOARRRR MODDERSSS WUATTT?!?!?!?**

>_> maybe that's a bit over exaggerated ..
 

Unit-05

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Yes, she will run away and wait for rescue >_> It's the perfect plan... That reminds me of a lot of players online actually :s sad

Female models have been made, and I mean they could always ask for volunteers or friends irl >_> or wherever but then again they do have other updates to worry about D: like

**OMG NEW CONTAAANNTT PL0000xxxxxxxx IIIIIIVV BEEN WAITING FOR FOREEVARRR AND ONLYYYY STUFFFFZZ FOARRRR MODDERSSS WUATTT?!?!?!?**

>_> maybe that's a bit over exaggerated ..



[url]http://img338.imageshack.us/i/wtfdj.jpg/[/URL]
 

Vaecrius

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Given their response at the top of page 2 of this thread I'd be very surprised if Ags here was a woman. o_O

At any rate I was responding to the snark about some players running off and hiding and waiting for the other players to rescue them.

Second part seems to say, to paraphrase, that maybe some people could volunteer to do this because TWI have bigger priorities like all the new content the fanbase is irrationally yet very energetically clamoring over. Which is odd, since... well, wouldn't this be new content too?
 
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timur

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Given their response at the top of page 2 of this thread I'd be very surprised if Ags here was a woman. o_O

At any rate I was responding to the snark about some players running off and hiding and waiting for the other players to rescue them.

Second part seems to say, to paraphrase, that maybe some people could volunteer to do this because TWI have bigger priorities like all the new content the fanbase is irrationally yet very energetically clamoring over. Which is odd, since... well, wouldn't this be new content too?

Hey, dont point at me.

I honestly dont have this in my priorities. I just think that it would be a nice character pack that would mix things up. I really dont want TWI focusing on this.

But I stand by the trader comment, in that it is not exactly a very empowering character. I was just making a point.

As for others getting rabid....you know some people disliked my comment. Sexist bastards. I dont know why people are so hyped. Perhaps this tiny thread has undertones reflecting peoples attitudes towards the femnist moevement, the global social changes, and the new family structure? Perhaps a war over gender dominance showing its face in this forum?

No, I'm just overthinking it. Or am I:eek::confused:

 
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Vaecrius

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But I stand by the trader comment, in that it is not exactly a very empowering character. I was just making a point.
And I agree with your point... my agreement with Agiusak really was just joining in on the snark about bad players. :p

I dont know why people are so hyped. Perhaps this tiny thread has undertones reflecting peoples attitudes towards the femnist moevement, the global social changes, and the new family structure? Perhaps a war over gender dominance showing its face in this forum?
Overthought or not, I can't help but wonder myself.

Right now there are four active threads that all have something in common: the OP starts off suggesting something that is purely cosmetic, would take quite a bit of work to implement, and would have no hard effect on gameplay mechanics (unless you count things like visibility and computer performance and "human factor" issues).
One of them gets strong but polite disagreement. Two get unanimous approval and people even join in with ideas of their own. I personally think all these reactions are reasonable given KF's main selling points.

Only one gets a bunch of excuses about how hard it would be to implement and how TWI have bigger priorities. (Last night there was even a post from a forum n00b outright flaming the OP, but it seems to be deleted.)
 

Agiusak

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Yeeeeeeeeeeess I r a girl
I understand why people want a female character... But I personally couldn't care less because I already have a favourite male model :3 And I don't like attracting a lot of attention while I'm in game... unless I'm really bored

o: and yes we don't need a trader model because there are enough noobs that do what she does in her little hideout that it wouldn't make a difference
 

FlakAttack

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Worst possible implementation I can think of off the top of my head: She looks like the "female commando" model from the original UT but with more skin showing, can carry 2 fewer blocks' worth of stuff, and can only play as medic or sharpshooter. Chest is a vital damage spot.
This is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the discussion. Why did you even post this garbage?
Second part seems to say, to paraphrase, that maybe some people could volunteer to do this because TWI have bigger priorities like all the new content the fanbase is irrationally yet very energetically clamoring over. Which is odd, since... well, wouldn't this be new content too?
I suppose that technically, it is new content... but it is content the majority of the playerbase believes would not add as much to the game as say, new weapons or maps. A different player model and voice? WOW SO IMPRESSIVE I'M GOING TO BUY THIS GAME.

Doesn't work that way.
Now doesn't that just sound empowering to you?
You want to talk about female empowerment? Female empowerment is NOT sitting on the forums whining that there are no female characters. How about one of the resident females here models, animates, and voices a female character for KF? Or even pay someone else to do it? THAT is female empowerment: being responsible and taking things into your own hands.

Equality is a double-edged sword; you can no longer demand of men what you can demand of yourself. It's not fair, it's not equal, and it's not right.

Now, all of this said, I wouldn't mind female models or voices at all. I just think that there is other content that is far more imporant to the game (read: gameplay changing content) than a new face for me to wear.
 
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C_Gibby

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I just think that there is other content that is far more imporant to the game (read: gameplay changing content) than a new face for me to wear.

And we all say the same. It's not entirely necessary that TWI makes female character models (although we can all agree that it'd be great if they did) because there's a lot of other things that TWI should be doing.

All of us know that female character models are merely a secondary.

Balancing, bughunting and new game-changing content is the primary.
 

Vaecrius

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@FlakAttack: Dude chill pill. Reading the tone of your response I would've thought I'd drunkenly suggested that the new player model be a scantily-clad model of your mother or something!

(Again, if this were about any other addition to the game's appearance - heck make the game more colourful - I would never expect this mix of condescending dismissal and angry sarcasm. Really makes a person wonder what's really going on between the other chair and keyboard.)

EDIT: To make this clearer with a counter-example: So far no one's gotten his panties in a knot telling the OP in that "make the game more serious" thead that he should go away and make his own mod because TWI aren't that kind of people. EDIT2: Come to think of it, since I joined these forums I've never seen any other suggestion, however controversial or unpopular, get this sort of treatment.
 
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timur

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This is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the discussion. Why did you even post this garbage?

I suppose that technically, it is new content... but it is content the majority of the playerbase believes would not add as much to the game as say, new weapons or maps. A different player model and voice? WOW SO IMPRESSIVE I'M GOING TO BUY THIS GAME.

Doesn't work that way.

You want to talk about female empowerment? Female empowerment is NOT sitting on the forums whining that there are no female characters. How about one of the resident females here models, animates, and voices a female character for KF? Or even pay someone else to do it? THAT is female empowerment: being responsible and taking things into your own hands.

Equality is a double-edged sword; you can no longer demand of men what you can demand of yourself. It's not fair, it's not equal, and it's not right.

Now, all of this said, I wouldn't mind female models or voices at all. I just think that there is other content that is far more imporant to the game (read: gameplay changing content) than a new face for me to wear.


Some Points:

1) Take a joke. Vaecarius was joking. Get a sense of humor please. It makes you sound like your trolling.

2) My quote was taken out of context. What I was saying was a response, and if you read my earlier posts, I suggested some things that could be done by fans to implement it, as well as the point that TWI is busy and it isnt a priority.

3) You only cement my point that this issue might have something a little past KF involved....although at the time I was somewhat joking, you have actually made me start to believe my own jokes.

4)Please just take a chill-pill and talk this out calmly. Like people past the age of 10 do.
 

dextronaut

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That's probably one of, if not 'the', most requested additions here. I forget what the official stance was on it, but right now I don't think there are official plans to add in female models. Something to do with extra animations? I can't recall.

Some modders have been working on replacements though, not sure how well those are going.

Excuses excuses.

Adding a female model wouldnt be as simple as youd think. In addition to making new models, textures and animations theyd have to create new voice dialogue for female characters too, which means theyd have to hire a female voice actor.

Unless they wanted to do it the easy way and just make a female character DLC without any voice acting. Would seem/sound a bit stupid but... I dont know.

textures easy, models easy, animations easy, finding a nobody female to do the voices, EASY.
 
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