Faster Bolt Actions

[raggamuffin]

Based on weapon level I feel it's be a nice addition. Can't say I noticed if it's already been implemented, but saw this video on youtube, now clearly this guys just showing off and he pays for it by the rifle jamming a lot on him but wouldn't a quicker bolt action animation be a nice benefit to people with better rifle level?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiajgOeKOKU&feature=related]Speed of the SMLE - YouTube[/URL]

Ed

 

[Nikita]

A level 50 bolt-action in-game is plenty fast already.

 

[RobertHammer]

Level 50 bolt-action will be capable of fully automatic bolt action

 

[Redemption]

I'm willing to bet he didn't have any sort of accuracy or grouping firing like that.

 

[HorniHornsen]

yes indeed @redemption.

and like the other 2 guys said, the lvl-50 rifles in game are fast enough already

 

[Sufyan]

Some people on these forums need to back away from Youtube as technical and historical source...

 

[lyosha]

Mosin Nagants have a problem known as "sticky bolt". They often almost jam to a point where you have to kick the bolt to get it to come back. I don't know what causes this but shooting a Mosin Nagant after being in the field for god knows how many months will never be easy.

 

[rpxy24]

Manual bolting a lvl 50 bolt action rifle ingame grants you SICK rate of fire.

The more you use your rifle, the faster your bolting gets. It's realism.

 

[raggamuffin]

Ahh I see, my bad, I didn't realize the bolt action was faster as my bolt action jumped from low level to level 50 due to the broken stats issue. Plus I don't really use the bolt actions enough to notice the change.

Ed

 

[Frotz]

Mad minute anyone?

 

[Jammybee]

SMLE > kar98k/MN

Mad minute anyone?

Wouldn't want to be a German at Mons :/

 

[Aquda]

Are you stupid or something?!
Why the hell will you have a faster rifle? To bee more like COD?
You wouldn't hit a **** at 10 feet by shooting like that... I'm sad when I read **** like this, why don't we just rename RO2 to COD if you want it to be like this?....
Goddamn newbies

 

[THunter]

this is the most stupid idea ive ever heard of. this thread is pointless.

 

[THunter]

Mosin Nagants have a problem known as "sticky bolt". They often almost jam to a point where you have to kick the bolt to get it to come back. I don't know what causes this but shooting a Mosin Nagant after being in the field for god knows how many months will never be easy.

2 reasons:

Lacquer coated steel cased ammo and refurbishment. Sticky bolt was never a problem in WW2 with the Russians or Germans.

Not all Nagant bolts are exactly alike. When they got refurbished post war the parts were simply thrown into huge bins/piles. They then assembled complete rifles using random parts from those bins. The result of this is tolerances out of wack for reciever to bolt mating. Fire a few shots, the metal expands from the heat, combined with ****ty laquer coated ammo = sticky bolt. Try different bolts and brass cased ammo and the problem goes away.

The reason why the guys bolt is "sticking" in the video is hes too concerned about looking cool and shooting fast like an idiot to properly feed and eject the rounds. If I saw that guy shooting like that at my local range id report his dumbass to the rangemaster. I was at a range one time next to a guy that decided he would show off infront of his friends by bump firing his Garand. Well his friend tried it, nearly lost control of the rifle and nearly shot a hole through the roof at at one point the muzzle was pointed in my direction. Luckily the rangemaster saw it and threw those guys out at gunpoint. Being stupid with live ammo around other people isnt cool.

If you wana shoot that fast buy a damn self loader or do everybody else a favor and shoot yourself in the process looking like a tool.

 

[Blinde]

I'm willing to bet he didn't have any sort of accuracy or grouping firing like that.

From Wikipedia:

The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "Mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.[9] Some straight-pull bolt-action rifles were thought faster, but lacked the simplicity, reliability, and generous magazine capacity of the Lee-Enfield. First World War accounts tell of British troops repelling German attackers who subsequently reported that they had encountered machine guns, when in fact it was simply a group of trained riflemen armed with SMLE Mk III rifles.

From which I'd say that :
1) Potential Accuracy with a rifle worked at speed can be good enough for RO2 purposes (I can't even see people at 270m most maps).
2) the SMLE is probably faster bolting than many other bolt action rifles, and that you can't necessarily generalise from the SMLE to the Mosin Nagant or the Kar98
3) 38 rounds from a bolt action in 60 seconds includes loading clips of 5 after the first 10 - that's just stunning levels of profficiency!

 

[Colt .45 killer]

I am surprised that no one has corrected the OP yet on his choice of gun.

I know of no quicker rotating bolt action rifle in existance, some straight pull's might give it a run for its money.

The reason why the enfield is THAT fast is due to its design, *cough* made by a Canadian *cough*, one of these design features is that the bolt handle sits directly above the trigger. The user does not have to let go of the bolt, and one finger can extend down to tap the trigger each time the bolt closes. This is exactly what this shooter is doing.

Where this falls apart for the Mosin and the K98 is for two main reasons. The first is that the bolt handle is too far away, so the hand must be moved from the handle to the trigger. The second is that even if it was close enough or you had a very large hand, the MN and K98 are both mauser pattern actions, and the cocking of the bolt happens while it rotates open, this means that you need a full handed force to do this, not just one or two fingers.

Just to clarify the enfield cocks on close, so the user can build up momentum as they slam the bolt forward.


Also just to point out as I <3 the enfield. the world record for enfield shooting was set in 1914 by alfred snoxall. 38 hits on a 12 inch target at 300 yards in one minute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute

i would have a hard time doing that even with a garand, never mind a bolty.

edit : blinde beat me too it...

 

[THunter]

And how is an enfield related to RO2??? Last I checked there wasnt any enfields or Brittish in Stalingrad and wikipedia isnt a reputable source of correct information.

 

[Blinde]

And how is an enfield related to RO2??? Last I checked there wasnt any enfields or Brittish in Stalingrad and wikipedia isnt a reputable source of correct information.

The OP referenced a Lee Enfield SMLE in the video. I agree that it's not necessarily relevant to the Mosin or the Kar98, in fact I said

2) the SMLE is probably faster bolting than many other bolt action rifles, and that you can't necessarily generalise from the SMLE to the Mosin Nagant or the Kar98

I had read the information about best ROF with the SMLE in another source, but chose wikipedia because I can search that at work. (If I was at home, I'd be playing Ro2, not reading this forum). The particular fact about the Mad minute is available from other sources, some of which are listed in the footnotes on the wikipedia page.

 

[Redemption]

This is irrelevant but I own all three of these rifles and the Enfield bolt is so much smoother to work and faster firing than either the Mosin or Mauser. As far as smooth bolt and ability to fire at speed, I would say

Enfield>Mauser>Mosin

And to the OP the bolt rifles fire more than speedy enough already.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

Yeah I should agree with redemption, the nagant in particular is when fully leveled already VERY fast. Probably as fast if not faster then a soldier who used one on a daily basis and put a LOT of rounds through it.