Eviscerator buff was good, but people still tend to prefer Pulverizer

[Quintuplin]

One thing I'm gonna say is that, while evis isn't a perfect "buy evey match" or even a "buy often" weapon, it is a perfect "buy anyways and have a **** ton of fun with every once in a while". Part of what I loved about KF1 was the optimal gear path was pretty easy to figure out... But then you had at least as many or more weapons that weren't as good, but were hella fun anyways, and helped spice up the gameplay. So keep the evis as is.

 

[CrashFu]

The amount of sheer misinformation being presented here is getting ridiculous.

"Pulverizer doesn't run out of ammo" Yes it does? Quite easily, in fact. And then you're left with something only slightly better than the crovel. Grabbing an ammo box only restores a few of those precious explosive shots, whereas the eviscerator would gain enough fuel to take down a scrake AND a clip of sawblades.

"I can just use EMP and Pulverizer" EMP + Eviscerator is way better, because it lets you go crazy with the chainsaw attack without risk. The EMP effect doesn't last long enough to get in very many of those time-consuming pulverizer alt-attacks.

"Eviscerator needs ammo to attack" / "Eviscerator can't deal with small zeds efficiently"

THERE IS A BASH ATTACK. How have so many people never hit the 'bash' button while using this weapon???

"Eviscerator can only kill like three clots per shot" It will penetrate through four and still have enough damage to kill the fifth, if you're aiming right.

"You're better switching to Pulverizer when you reach Hans" Are you not aware of Hans' ridiculous explosive resistance? Or how OP his melee attacks are right now?

"Zweihander" the Zweihander is so OP right now it isn't even funny. Expect a nerf (after the Chivalry sale ends)

 

[weeman2412]

The amount of sheer misinformation being presented here is getting ridiculous.

"Pulverizer doesn't run out of ammo" Yes it does? Quite easily, in fact. And then you're left with something only slightly better than the crovel. Grabbing an ammo box only restores a few of those precious explosive shots, whereas the eviscerator would gain enough fuel to take down a scrake AND a clip of sawblades.

"I can just use EMP and Pulverizer" EMP + Eviscerator is way better, because it lets you go crazy with the chainsaw attack without risk. The EMP effect doesn't last long enough to get in very many of those time-consuming pulverizer alt-attacks.

"Eviscerator needs ammo to attack" / "Eviscerator can't deal with small zeds efficiently"

THERE IS A BASH ATTACK. How have so many people never hit the 'bash' button while using this weapon???

"Eviscerator can only kill like three clots per shot" It will penetrate through four and still have enough damage to kill the fifth, if you're aiming right.

"You're better switching to Pulverizer when you reach Hans" Are you not aware of Hans' ridiculous explosive resistance? Or how OP his melee attacks are right now?

"Zweihander" the Zweihander is so OP right now it isn't even funny. Expect a nerf (after the Chivalry sale ends)

A pulverizer without ammo is still more useful against scrakes and fleshpounds than an ammo-less eviscerator.

Eviscerator does only slashing damage, this means they lose half their attack power against both the scrake and fleshpound.

The bash attack on the eviscerator does only 90 damage. (the one attack does not cost ammo) It effectively does 45 when hitting scrakes and fleshpounds.

The Zwei's stab does 120 which does piercing damage. Piercing damage is calculated normally on scrakes without resistance or benefits, while gaining a 1.5x bonus on fleshpound.

The Pulverizer does bludgeoning damage which does normal damage to scrakes but loses half of it's 145 (72.5) attack power against fleshpounds.

Both the zwei and pulverizers heavy attack is faster than the eviscerators bash.

It should be plainly obvious to you which weapons are more effective when there is no ammo.

I mean if all you want to do is kill trash zeds all day and let your entire team wipe due to a fleshpound and scrake because you carry a worthless weapon, be my guess.

 

[FoolishNinja]

The Eviscerator 2hit headshots scrakes. Just sayin.
The bad thing about the weapon is the weight.
You have no backup when you have to reload or when you have no ammo.

 

[dreamweaver]

I like it a lot, although what you say about the ammo is true, I just believe there is a strategy to using the evicerator. To some it may not be a fun strategy but I dont mind lining up zeds and popping all their heads off with one blade, or running around to pick up my spent blades again. I usually balance out the usage of shooting blades and melee so I have enough ammo for big zeds. Its not that hard. I can also keep a shotgun as a secondary which isnt bad either.

 

[Escadin]

The Eviscerator 2hit headshots scrakes. Just sayin.
The bad thing about the weapon is the weight.
You have no backup when you have to reload or when you have no ammo.

Solo Hard perhaps but it actually takes 6 or 7.

 

[CrashFu]

I mean if all you want to do is kill trash zeds all day and let your entire team wipe due to a fleshpound and scrake because you carry a worthless weapon, be my guess.

Two can play at this game:





Face facts: The Eviscerator is superior to the Pulverizer against EVERY enemy except Fleshpound.

Even against the scrake, the chainsaw attack does so much damage that his slashing resistance doesn't matter, you can still take him down in a couple seconds, and the projectile is a guaranteed stagger on every shot. That means you can stun-lock the Scrake from outside his reach, allowing your team to gun it down without the Scrake getting a single attack off. If you're not even going to consider how these weapons work on a team with other players, then you'll never understand their value.

With the Pulverizer, YOU have to be the first one to encounter the Scrake and YOU have to take his 'aggro', or else he'll kill your teammates before you even get to him. Even then, you have to wait for him to attack and perform a parry if you want to stagger him once. That gives you a chance to bonk him once, maybe twice before you have to go on the defensive again. Meanwhile you're vulnerable to every other enemy nearby because if you try to fight anything else you won't be able to parry the scrake.


Pulverizer only has an advantage versus Fleshpounds, and if you think it's the Berserker's job to handle those, you must be new to the Killing Floor franchise. The berserker's primary job is body-guarding his teammates, and what's a more effective way to clear attacking zeds off friend? Having to run across the room and swipe them off of them one-by-one with the Pulverizer, or taking a quick Eviscerator shot from across the room and clearing out or staggering all of the enemies at once?


If you have ANY skill and know ANYTHING about strategy or team-play, the Eviscerator is far from worthless.

 

[Tombstone Jack]

i just wish the chainsaw half had unlimited fuel your trading reliable melee weapons for a temporary one I could stand that if it wasn't for the fact that I cant go texas chainsaw massacre for more than a few minutes per wave

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

I just find it boring to use. It could be god tier and I still wouldnt care.

 

[weeman2412]

Having to run across the room and swipe them off of them one-by-one with the Pulverizer, or taking a quick Eviscerator shot from across the room and clearing out or staggering all of the enemies at once?

Instead of sitting on the frontline parrying and blocking zeds you're one of those skillless and selfish berserkers that hide behind team mates to kill steal with the eviserator.

Noted

Also the stagger/stumble is on a 8-10s cooldown on fleshpounds and scrakes. Of course, you wouldn't know that considering you enjoy raging scrakes and fleshpounds from across the room with the eviscerator.

 

[Escadin]

Even against the scrake, the chainsaw attack does so much damage that his slashing resistance doesn't matter

183dps doesn't seem like SO MUCH DAMAGE to me. Pulverizer's primary combo does more than that. The block and parry combo gives you SO MUCH DAMAGE for real - even if you have to parry inbetween every hit.

I get why you like the range of that thing but you know... alt.fire knockdowns, the fact that pulverizer ammo lasts you the entire wave while the saws don't (and even if you run out of explosives too- you still get to carry a decent second weapon) and spot on parry skills just make sure you don't have to worry about being the first one in.
It's better for your team's sanity as well.

After all, it's not like that stumble is unique to the eviscerator, because it's not. And yes you can utilize stumbles even up close.


You've got to face the facts:
The eviscerator is nothing special. It does nothing exceptionally well and it only means a difference in what you consume. You may require less heal if you utilize it's range but you have to pay for that with a tight ammo pool.

What makes it a bad weapon is the fact that while it does nothing really better or that much worse than it's alternatives it effectively weights twice as much for no good reason.

I haven't seen the block + primary fire combo yet (perhaps it's fun and useful) it won't change the reason why people don't like this weapon.

 

[CrashFu]

183dps doesn't seem like SO MUCH DAMAGE to me. Pulverizer's primary combo does more than that. The block and parry combo gives you SO MUCH DAMAGE for real - even if you have to parry inbetween every hit.

It takes pulverizer berserkers ages to take down a Scrake, unless they're abusing certain exploits to go all Fist-of-the-North-Star on the Scrake's face for a dozen hits per second or something like that.

The Eviscerator will drop scrake in like.. 3 seconds. This "183dps" stat sounds like it's from the pitifully weak, PRE-update numbers. The chainsaw attack is a lot stronger than that now.

After all, it's not like that stumble is unique to the eviscerator, because it's not. And yes you can utilize stumbles even up close.

The only reliable way to get stumbles with the Pulverizer is the explosive attack, and the Scrake recovers from that by the time you do.

You've got to face the facts:
The eviscerator is the most unique weapon in the game. It does almost everything exceptionally well and it only means a difference in what you consume. You definitely require less heal if you utilize it's range and it has twice the ammo pool of the Pulverizer, half of which you can recover after use.

There. Fixed your inaccurate statements for you.

I haven't seen the block + primary fire combo yet (perhaps it's fun and useful) it won't change the reason why people don't like this weapon.

You're right, since the reason people don't like this weapon is because it requires skill and tactical know-how to use, and works best when cooperating with your team, things that most players have no experience with.

Meanwhile any newbie can pick up the Pulverizer and mindlessly bludgeon their way through the game. Provided they have a pocket-medic to babysit them 24/7, that is.

 

[DBShinigami]

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"Pulverizer doesn't run out of ammo" Yes it does? Quite easily, in fact.

I have never run out of ammo of the Pulveriser.
You got Thirty five shots of pulveriser.
If you use it to kill only Husk/Siren/Fleshpound then, I doubt you run out of ammo.
And, honestly, if you got siren resistance, you can even use light attack against the siren.
Of course, if you are wasting 10 shots of pulveriser each time you see a scrake, you will run out of ammo. But, that's why you got your MICROWAVE GUN. And you can not carry the Microwave when using Evisc.


PS : I don't understand why you said that the Evisc have more ammo pool (twice ?) than Pulv when you "corrected" Escadin.

 

[Escadin]

No it's not the old numbers. I just hopped into a sologame and skillfully - and with the help of teamplay of course- went all RMB on an AI-less scrake. Takes about 150/250 fuel to take it down.

That's really impressive I've gotta tell you. So then I wanted to see the real power of the weapon and tried it against a scrake with AI (in god mode ofc). The personal protection is awesome: The scrake ignores mini flinches entirely!

But wait it gets better! You can't attack while he's doing all those chainsaw whirlwind moves or else you'll miss the head half the time and all of a sudden 250 fuel is not even enough to kill one single scrake.
So apparently even the almighty eviscerator has to parry scrakes in order to get a chance to bonk him once or maybe twice. Oh boy that's gonna take a while...

Nah. The chainsaw attack is an absolute waste against this guy. Seems like a pro should have known that. Now, you're being ridiculous


The block skill reduces the number of required saw blade shots from 5+a kick in the teeth to 4 which is kind of neat. However, you lose the advantage of range that way and you still end up sucking vs FP and the second half of wave trash.
No deal, sorry.

 

[DBShinigami]

No it's not the old numbers. I just hopped into a sologame and skillfully - and with the help of teamplay of course- went all RMB on an AI-less scrake. Takes about 150/250 fuel to take it down.

On which level of difficulty (HOE ?) ? And is this for 6 players ?

 

[Escadin]

On which level of difficulty (HOE ?) ? And is this for 6 players ?

Yes HoE/6p. I'm still missing 7% bonus damage but I doubt those will turn the tide...

 

[Severeaids]

It weighs too much. idc how good the weapon is or what kind of **** you can pull off with it. Pulverizer + Microwave gun/medic Ar or Pulverizer + zweihander is all you need. Now If they even cut the weight by a little bit ill definitely consider it. Good points were raised and I'm sure the weapon is not terrible, but in a full game the pulverizer is way more useful BC you rape fps and everything but scrakes pretty much die in one swing. Alt fire one shots husk/siren, which can be an issue and all you do is go up to bloat swing once at the head and he's dead. I'm not saying evicserator is bad but there are more useful loadouts. Pulverizer serves the team better and the other stuff you carry alongside it is just even better. The fact that you can block and parry is a step in the right direction I feel like all they need to do to it is reduce the weight. If i could carry a pulverizer with it ill rock it alongside it. Until then not happening.