Dosh Jacket Giveaway

[breadtruck]

This thread really should be locked. It started silly, and continues to be silly as each page grows.

People paid for the magazine. The code was a bonus.

If a person feels slighted because they looked at it as if they were paying for the code, and getting the magazine as a bonus, they are doing this whole "consumer thing" wrong.

If you went out of your way to buy the magazine just for this bonus, then you REALLY should reconsider your priorities. Because the only person you have to blame is yourself.

 

[Bigguns 93]

so you're saying that they were simply clarifying which version of their magazine the code could be redeemed from? And you're also saying that the word "only" is used to specify which magazine, but does not exclude all other methods of redeeming said code?

The word only in and of itself specifies a single method. So saying "only in the print magazine" doesn't just exclude the eprint, it also excludes every single other method of redemption.

One of the three legally defined forms of fraudulent advertising is deceit or omission. Meaning, if you omit facts from your ad that will alter the likelihood of a consumer purchasing your product/service, it is considered fraudulent.

failure to disclose- it is considered false advertising under the lanham act if a representation is "untrue as a result of the failure to disclose a material fact." therefore, false advertising can come from both misstatements and partially correct statements that are misleading because they do not disclose something the consumer should know.

the ad is untrue because the item was received in a different form than the print magazine. The ad should have read that the item would not be available in the eprint instead of "only the print magazine". Those words cant be in the ad and it still be true. By saying "not available in eprint", the ad would have stayed true when they released the extra codes.

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People bought the magazine for the skin. TWI WANTED PEOPLE TO BUY THE MAGAZINE FOR THE SKIN !!!! That is why they included the skin. If they thought people would get the magazine simply to read the article, it would require no enticement.




People have a right to complain to a business about a product or service that is an issue. We request a response from TWI.

 

[Moskeeto]

This thread really should be locked. It started silly, and continues to be silly as each page grows.

People paid for the magazine. The code was a bonus.

If a person feels slighted because they looked at it as if they were paying for the code, and getting the magazine as a bonus, they are doing this whole "consumer thing" wrong.

If you went out of your way to buy the magazine just for this bonus, then you REALLY should reconsider your priorities. Because the only person you have to blame is yourself.

+1

Some people may have bought the magazine for the skin. But in the end, it doesn't matter because what they paid for was the magazine and not the skin. You have no legal basis for complaining about something you received for free. Yes, I do believe the skin counts as a free bonus item because like I just said, people paid for the magazine. The skin was just a free bonus.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

TWI WANTED PEOPLE TO BUY THE MAGAZINE FOR THE SKIN !!!! That is why they included the skin. If they thought people would get the magazine simply to read the article, it would require no enticement.

Since when did Tripwire get any money from the magazine sales? Last time I checked Tripwire and PC Gamer are two totally different companies, the article in the magazine was to promote the game and the skin was a bonus.

I saw the magazine in the store and bought the magazine to read about KF2, I had no idea there was a skin code until I got home so that was a nice surprise.

 

[RootyTootyPointnShooty]

I was always wondering why they kept saying "paid for a skin" when what you clearly bought was a magazine. Also, does TWI get money from giving PCGAMER codes to promote their game? Also, Moeskeeto, you really should lock this thread, the one on steam too. I assume you're the same guy. I mean, a lot of the community is pretty fed up with this topic. I regret starting it at this point due to the incessant whining that exists here. Can we vote to lock threads involving this petty issue so we can focus on actual problems with the game?

 

[zredgemz]

Since when did Tripwire get any money from the magazine sales? Last time I checked Tripwire and PC Gamer are two totally different companies, the article in the magazine was to promote the game and the skin was a bonus.

I saw the magazine in the store and bought the magazine to read about KF2, I had no idea there was a skin code until I got home so that was a nice surprise.

It was a marketing gig for tripwire, the idea was to make more people aware of killing floor 2. So if it worked well for them, they would sell more steam copies.

 

[Ducky]

I quote "Originally Posted by Ducky


It only says that the skin code is only available in the print edition of the magazine. It doesn't mean that there would not be other ways to get one.

ways."

Yes, but it also didn't say it would even be likely there would be another chance to get the skin, the whole Ad's blurb was about one time and only from that issue of the mag, that is misleading, to say the very least.

That's why it can be read in more than 1 way. If it's like that, then human nature will make the person to read it as he like it to be. It's an ad to trigger people to buy the magazine. We all know ads can be misleading. Like Moskeeto said, what they paid for was the magazine and not the skin.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We all know ads can be misleading.

But we also know ExtenZe totally works and is totally not a scam, I managed to increase my size by twelve inches with the use of ExtenZe.

Oh man how they managed to actually sell that stuff especially in a age where the internet is a thing totally blows my mind.

 

[Solda]

I was always wondering why they kept saying "paid for a skin" when what you clearly bought was a magazine. Also, does TWI get money from giving PCGAMER codes to promote their game? Also, Moeskeeto, you really should lock this thread, the one on steam too. I assume you're the same guy. I mean, a lot of the community is pretty fed up with this topic. I regret starting it at this point due to the incessant whining that exists here. Can we vote to lock threads involving this petty issue so we can focus on actual problems with the game?

I seriously have a hard time to get about you guys. It stated you can only get it in the PRINT version.
If people bought the magazine and got the skin, or just bought it for the skin doesn't matter. They paid for it and got it. Then PCGamer AND TWI released 8000 FREE skin codes in a raffle in an EPRINT version. I stated earlier becuase of Ducky that if there are more ways to get it then probabbly in another number of the magazine which wasn't the case, dus why PCGamer and TWI screwed up and should take the "blame" for.

I fail to get what you people don't understand, and why should it be locked down? Even that one on Steam? Why? Whining? There are thread posts on the Steam forums that Hans makes the guy scarred, the thread isn't locked, so no thread should be locked if it ain't breaking the rules. This thread is like any other thread exccept where the game company itself ripped off people.

So summary, people bought the PRINT version where it ONLY said by buying the PRINT version, not the EPRINT version. Basic as that, nothing more nothing less. A scam used by both companies and in my eyes should reedeme themselves in one way or another...

 

[DMN666]

I saw the magazine in the store and bought the magazine to read about KF2, I had no idea there was a skin code until I got home so that was a nice surprise.

You forgot to tell them that on your way home that you had to save some hot chick from being attacked by a multi-racial gang of midget ninjas at a graveyard while also helping a family of ducks cross the street.

I find it hard to believe that you didnt know about the code until you got home. How did you not noticed the bright blue/pink tab on top of the magazine package? If it did not have the packaging when you got the magazine, then it would have stated somewhere on the cover itself in bold words with a picture of Dosh Foster. Majority of people will always read every headline on the cover to grab the holder's attention. If this was the case (no plastic wrap), then it should not be sold like this due to the fact that anyone can skim the booklet and take the codes for free, thus upsetting customers.
Im also very surprise that you would even buy a magazine to read it... at home. Most if not all the information was already online, either from PC Gamer themselves or a different source.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

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I haven't really been keeping up to date with KF2, in fact I did not know it was in development until I saw the magazine.

I was in a hurry and when walking down the magazine aisle I saw Mr. Foster in the corner of my eye, he is pretty iconic after all. I grabbed it and threw it into my basket.

Oh and I did save a puppy from a robot pirate gang that had Scottish accents on my way home.

 

[Bigguns 93]

+1

Some people may have bought the magazine for the skin. But in the end, it doesn't matter because what they paid for was the magazine and not the skin. You have no legal basis for complaining about something you received for free. Yes, I do believe the skin counts as a free bonus item because like I just said, people paid for the magazine. The skin was just a free bonus.

It matters greatly. TWI promoted the magazine as a way to get the skin. They posted it on their website and forums.


The very top of the magazine says in bright blue border with stark white " STEAM CODE INSIDE - KILLING FLOOR 2 CHARACTER SKIN". above and only slightly smaller than the " PC GAMER MAGAZINE" masthead.




It is obviously an inducement to buy the magazine. It is the bait. Hard copy magazine sales are down significantly, this can not be denied. Paper magazines and newspapers are now marginalized compared to e-versions.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-magazine-sales-down-10-in-first-half-of-2013-2013-08-06


http://nypost.com/2014/08/08/magazine-newsstand-sales-read-it-and-weep/



How do you get somebody to buy a medium that is dying? One that is rarely purchased? You bait them with an exclusive offer. So people aren't buying the magazine, its just the packaging for the skin.


The people who are upset bought the skin. Many never got the magazine. It is ridiculous to question a persons motive for purchase. Are you that person? Can you see into their mind? If I buy a bottle of shampoo in an unbreakable bottle because I want an unbreakable bottle, and the bottle breaks.... I was deceived as a customer. You can't tell me I am not allowed to buy it just for the bottle.


And saying its my fault for buying it for the skin is invalid. We were induced into buying the magazine because " ONLY by BUYING the PRINT edition" will you ever get this skin. It was promoted as such on TWI website, on their forum, on the PC gamer site, even printed on the front of the magazine.




TWI WANTED US TO BUY THE MAGAZINE TO GET THE SKIN. They told us that. Knowing how Harchier Spebbington was handled with THE BALL pre-purchase, we understood clearly that TWI has exclusive items.


We are paying customers, we have an issue, we want the business to respond to our issue. When was the last time you went to a store, walked to their customer service area and started arguing with customers in line they were wrong for complaining?

 

[Solda]

It matters greatly. TWI promoted the magazine as a way to get the skin. They posted it on their website and forums.


The very top of the magazine says in bright blue border with stark white " STEAM CODE INSIDE - KILLING FLOOR 2 CHARACTER SKIN". above and only slightly smaller than the " PC GAMER MAGAZINE" masthead.




It is obviously an inducement to buy the magazine. It is the bait. Hard copy magazine sales are down significantly, this can not be denied. Paper magazines and newspapers are now marginalized compared to e-versions.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-magazine-sales-down-10-in-first-half-of-2013-2013-08-06


http://nypost.com/2014/08/08/magazine-newsstand-sales-read-it-and-weep/



How do you get somebody to buy a medium that is dying? One that is rarely purchased? You bait them with an exclusive offer. So people aren't buying the magazine, its just the packaging for the skin.


The people who are upset bought the skin. Many never got the magazine. It is ridiculous to question a persons motive for purchase. Are you that person? Can you see into their mind? If I buy a bottle of shampoo in an unbreakable bottle because I want an unbreakable bottle, and the bottle breaks.... I was deceived as a customer. You can't tell me I am not allowed to buy it just for the bottle.


And saying its my fault for buying it for the skin is invalid. We were induced into buying the magazine because " ONLY by BUYING the PRINT edition" will you ever get this skin. It was promoted as such on TWI website, on their forum, on the PC gamer site, even printed on the front of the magazine.




TWI WANTED US TO BUY THE MAGAZINE TO GET THE SKIN. They told us that. Knowing how Harchier Spebbington was handled with THE BALL pre-purchase, we understood clearly that TWI has exclusive items.


We are paying customers, we have an issue, we want the business to respond to our issue. When was the last time you went to a store, walked to their customer service area and started arguing with customers in line they were wrong for complaining?

+1
Exactly this, even on twitter they promoted it.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

OK, hypothetically speaking that tripwire is to blame for what happened, what is it you guys want?

You keep saying you want a response but I have a feeling a simple apology won't satisfy you guys so is this just to get free stuff? Do you guys want tripwire to refund the money you gave to PC Gamer and disable the skin for you?

I am just curious is all.

 

[BBgun]

I think what most people wanted from this is what they thought they bought, an exclusive skin. So, they want TWI to change the skin from the giveaway in some fashion, so that the exclusive skin that was paid for remains exclusive.

 

[Solda]

OK, hypothetically speaking that tripwire is to blame for what happened, what is it you guys want?

You keep saying you want a response but I have a feeling a simple apology won't satisfy you guys so is this just to get free stuff? Do you guys want tripwire to refund the money you gave to PC Gamer and disable the skin for you?

I am just curious is all.

A simple apology, ofcourse, won't do.
Its mind blowing they still haven't replied dus they fail as a game company in my eyes, so a simple apology won't do but would be a huge start. But Im guessing free dlc if it comes in the future or such...

 

[Karmadata]

OK, hypothetically speaking that tripwire is to blame for what happened, what is it you guys want?

You keep saying you want a response but I have a feeling a simple apology won't satisfy you guys so is this just to get free stuff? Do you guys want tripwire to refund the money you gave to PC Gamer and disable the skin for you?

I am just curious is all.

We are curious too, curious why TWI haven't given an answer themselves, if it's simple embarassment, I'm sure Bigguns could speak to them directly in person (privately), if they took the time and effort (little as it would be to do so) there might be some headway on this issue, but seeing as you aren't TWI there's not much point in discussing this with you, but you do still deserve a straight answer for asking a straight question, so there it is.

 

[Karmadata]

That's why it can be read in more than 1 way. If it's like that, then human nature will make the person to read it as he like it to be. It's an ad to trigger people to buy the magazine. We all know ads can be misleading. Like Moskeeto said, what they paid for was the magazine and not the skin.

Well, if that's how you truly 'read it as' I'd say you were misleading yourself, and as for not buying the skin, I didn't see any declaration of 'no purchase necessary' regarding the dosh skin on the mags cover or anywhere inside, so, unless you were shoplifting you got nothing, no skin or mag free, it was traded for MONEY. So, looks like you were both wrong, again.

 

[Dreck]

When was the last time you went to a store, walked to their customer service area and started arguing with customers in line they were wrong for complaining?

Pretty recently actually, it was some punk that was badgering the poor cashier at the gas station by my house. He kept yelling at her about the price of gas to the point she was in tears, over something that she had no control over. I tried to be nice by asking him to leave her alone and explain that it wasn't in her control, but he refused to listen to reason and continued to badger her.

So I smacked the kid in the back of the head and when he turned to punch me I placed him into a standing arm bar and politely explained again that what he was doing is wrong. He left, cursing me on his way out the door.

Please for the love of God do not be like that guy... I see it all the time and it makes me sick that people can be so ignorant and selfish to the point where they hurt complete strangers over petty things.

 

[Bigguns 93]

OK, hypothetically speaking that tripwire is to blame for what happened, what is it you guys want?

You keep saying you want a response but I have a feeling a simple apology won't satisfy you guys so is this just to get free stuff? Do you guys want tripwire to refund the money you gave to PC Gamer and disable the skin for you?

I am just curious is all.

I think it is best discussed with Tripwire. There are several options. We do want the 8K people who were in the giveaway to have a skin, they were promised a skin, that is only fair. We also want resolution.


Like any customer issue, that resolution is best discussed with the business. What do you want when you have a problem with a product or service?