Dosh Jacket Giveaway

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Bigguns 93

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We are requesting a response from TWI. We have that right. You are welcome to disagree, I respect that right. .

You welcome to disagree, I respect that right.


In response to this statement, basically telling me I was wasting forum space


you aren't here for any official statement, what you are here for is a specific official statement claiming you are right. Just go to the courts already if you're so adamant about this.


I added the option of
. The forum is full of topics if this one is not to your liking.
 
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Void

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I bet your little crusader group on steam will spam the **** out of their social media accounts.

Go get em, champ!
 

Bigguns 93

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I bet your little crusader group on steam will spam the **** out of their social media accounts.

Go get em, champ!

To translate = Paying customers will request to speak to management of the business because they have an issue.


We have an issue. We are requesting a response from TWI. There are a lot of us. We are the people who buy the DLC's, which is part of their core customer base.
 

Void

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Karmadata

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Sorry to say, but if you look at the PC-Gamer page here, then it says in the title:



That means that the skin is exclusive and doesn't come out of the box with KF2. A way to get it is(was) by buying the printed PC-Gamer #254 edition. The title didn't say that it was the only way to obtain it.

Then later on in the article they say:


That part only says that you can get it by buying the printed version and not with any eVersion of that magazine edition. It's a bit of an open sentence which can be read differently.

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To prevent confusion, I'm not a TWI employee. What I wrote is simply my observation/opinion.

You might want to re-evaluate that opinion. Open sentences, read differently? Nah, it said only here and this one time, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt though, assuming English isn't your mother tongue, but in English that means exactly what it says and how it says it in the ad.
 

Ducky

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You might want to re-evaluate that opinion. Open sentences, read differently? Nah, it said only here and this one time, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt though, assuming English isn't your mother tongue, but in English that means exactly what it says and how it says it in the ad.

Really? I believe the discussions in this thread already prove otherwise.

Coupled with our coverage of Killing Floor 2 in our magazine, though, is a special gift: a unique character skin that you can only get by buying the print magazine .

Read 1.
It says that it's coupled with the coverage of the KF2 in the magazine, but that you can only get it by buying the print version of the magazine and not the eVersion. <--- that doesn't mean that it's exclusive to that "buying the printed version".

Read 2.
The skin is unique and you can only get it by buying the print magazine and not by any other means. <--- This would mean that the only way to obtain the skin is by buying the print magazine.

So no, I do not have to re-evaluate my opinion at this point.
 

jd641

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Since this is such a 'big' topic of discussion, here's a question to ponder:

How do you know for sure that the skin was made and released by TWI and not produced in-house at PC Gamer staff and your anger is directed at the wrong company?

Gaming franchises authorize content from other houses all the time, maybe you're going after the wrong people...
 
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Solda

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Since this is such a 'big' topic of discussion, here's a question to ponder:

How do you know for sure that the skin was made and released by TWI and not produced in-house at PC Gamer staff and your anger is directed at the wrong company?

Gaming franchises authorize content from other houses all the time, maybe you're going after the wrong people...

They fixed the skin, but also prolly made it, except maybe if a TWI staff member works at TWI and at PCGamer.
 

Solda

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Really? I believe the discussions in this thread already prove otherwise.



Read 1.
It says that it's coupled with the coverage of the KF2 in the magazine, but that you can only get it by buying the print version of the magazine and not the eVersion. <--- that doesn't mean that it's exclusive to that "buying the printed version".

Read 2.
The skin is unique and you can only get it by buying the print magazine and not by any other means. <--- This would mean that the only way to obtain the skin is by buying the print magazine.

So no, I do not have to re-evaluate my opinion at this point.

To me you sound like you are repetaing twice that you can ONLY get it buy buying the print edition.

"<--- that doesn't mean that it's exclusive to that "buying the printed version"." I always fail to get why do you guys always forget the ONLY, doesn't matter if the title doesn't hold it or so, if they repated it 3 times by ONLY buying the print edition you can get it then you can get it only like that.
Nothing hard to understandd there.
 

Galkan

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Since this is such a 'big' topic of discussion, here's a question to ponder:

How do you know for sure that the skin was made and released by TWI and not produced in-house at PC Gamer staff and your anger is directed at the wrong company?

Gaming franchises authorize content from other houses all the time, maybe you're going after the wrong people...

Pretty much what I wrote at the other thread. People are barking under the wrong tree, on top of that over something SO MINOR that I actually ponder why this thread isn't closed yet. Like this wasn't amusing enough already, they treat this jacket as if it were the main thing, not the magazine itself. It's like complaining you want only some sauce while ordering (and paying for) a full dinner :D
 

Solda

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Sep 23, 2015
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Pretty much what I wrote at the other thread. People are barking under the wrong tree, on top of that over something SO MINOR that I actually ponder why this thread isn't closed yet. Like this wasn't amusing enough already, they treat this jacket as if it were the main thing, not the magazine itself. It's like complaining you want only some sauce while ordering (and paying for) a full dinner :D

Okay gona repat myself three times as I did on Steam.
PCGamer may issued out the codes for FREE where other people got it by buying the printed magazine. PCGamer is at fault and so is TWI, they could have left the codes broken as they were when people got them but they decided not to but prolly did not think about the people who actually bought it, dus why both of them are at fault. Print more magazines, or TWI could say it was a missunderstanding and left the codes broken, but they did no one of that and they decided to put 8000 SKIN CODES ON A RAFFEL, where people who don't own the game could get em, and again, this is why both companies are "targeted" buy us, more so TWI for even fixing the codes.

Why this thread isn't locked? Well,I don't know, did the question get answered, not once have I seen an actual TWI dev/staff to answer this question or other thread questions on the steam forums, and why should it get locked, its a normal thread directed at TWi while they still bow their heads down ignoring this thread, more so on steam with 1600+ comments on it.

It ain't a "minor" thing, maybe to you but to other people not, they went great lenghts to get the magazine. If they got the magazine for just the skin or even the magaazine, that ain't the problem, the problem are TWI and PCGamer.
 

Ducky

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I always fail to get why do you guys always forget the ONLY, doesn't matter if the title doesn't hold it or so, if they repated it 3 times by ONLY buying the print edition you can get it then you can get it only like that.
Nothing hard to understandd there.

Didn't forget about the ONLY. So let's look at this ad that people refer to.

I looked up all the lines with the word ONLY (since you talk about it being repeated 3 times).


Coupled with our coverage of Killing Floor 2 in our magazine, though, is a special gift: a unique character skin that you can only get by buying the print magazine .
Did already state my opinion on that one.

Let's face it: when you're surrounded by hordes of the living dead, who want only to feast upon your flesh, your biggest concern is going to be,
 

Solda

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Sep 23, 2015
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It only says that the skin code is only available in the print edition of the magazine. It doesn't mean that there would not be other ways to get one.

ways.

Exactly, buying the print edition, what people did was write an email to get it.....
They prolly tought to print more in another number of a magazine...Ups was wrong, they didn't...
 
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Karmadata

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Nov 7, 2012
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I quote "Originally Posted by Ducky


It only says that the skin code is only available in the print edition of the magazine. It doesn't mean that there would not be other ways to get one.

ways."

Yes, but it also didn't say it would even be likely there would be another chance to get the skin, the whole Ad's blurb was about one time and only from that issue of the mag, that is misleading, to say the very least.
 

Bigguns 93

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Whether the promotion was worded deceptively on purpose or by accident, it created an issue. When coupled with knowledge of how Harchier Spebbington was handled as part of the The Ball pre-sale, it is perfectly reasonable to see how people took TWI at its word literally.


"ONLY by BUYING the PRINT edition of the MAGAZINE.... edition #254". They repeat 3x that it is exclusive to the print magazine. Not just a sentence that might be misinterpreted. But repeated 3x so that it is the crux of the promotion. Additionally it is the only sentence that is bolded.


Clearly it is the most important sentence in the promotion. You don't restate a point 3x and bold it if its not the critical point you want to make.


People spent a lot of time, money, effort based on that wording. We are asking TWI to respond to our issue. As paying customers who feel we have an issue it is normal to ask a business to respond to our issue.


We request a response from TWI. We would like to open a dialogue to resolve the issue.
 

Ron Burgundy

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When will we get a statement from Tripwire?

Probably won't, because they probably gave PCG the codes to distribute them how they pleased. And if one of the ways was to sell magazines and the other was to lottery the leftovers away then that is what it is.
 

BBgun

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It only says that the skin code is only available in the print edition of the magazine. It doesn't mean that there would not be other ways to get one.

All I'm trying to point out is that the ad can be read/interpreted in different ways.

So you're saying that they were simply clarifying which version of their magazine the code could be redeemed from? And you're also saying that the word "only" is used to specify which magazine, but does not exclude all other methods of redeeming said code?

The word only in and of itself specifies a single method. So saying "only in the print magazine" doesn't just exclude the ePrint, it also excludes every single other method of redemption.

One of the three legally defined forms of fraudulent advertising is deceit or omission. Meaning, if you omit facts from your ad that will alter the likelihood of a consumer purchasing your product/service, it is considered fraudulent.

Failure to Disclose- It is considered false advertising under the Lanham Act if a representation is "untrue as a result of the failure to disclose a material fact." Therefore, false advertising can come from both misstatements and partially correct statements that are misleading because they do not disclose something the consumer should know.

The ad is untrue because the item was received in a different form than the print magazine. The ad should have read that the item would not be available in the ePrint instead of "only the print magazine". Those words cant be in the ad and it still be true. By saying "not available in ePrint", the ad would have stayed true when they released the extra codes.