Lol I have heard all about it. I guess I was lucky in the sense that I bought RO2 and then my computer took a **** on me. By the time I got a new HDD and my computers back to how I had it the problem was resolved.
Dosh Jacket Giveaway
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That's an extreme exaggeration. People have created a group to voice their unhappiness to a business. That happens everyday. Core fans feel misled
We want a response from TWI and to open a dialogue to resolve the issue. How did you get mob and pitchforks from calmly stating how we are upset and requesting to speak with TWI?
The only thing I can think is your read the very misleading OP calling upset customers "whiny kids" or a single poster on Steam. If you read the groups statement you would find it very reasonable. TWI respond to your core base on an issue.
Oh no no, you can't show how exclusive you are without this unique and almost unnoticeable item! You are not a fan unless you have an exclusive item to signify it! Or, maybe it's you are not a "core" fan, as if you need a stupid jacket from a magazine to signify how much you enjoy a game. Playing their game for hours on end means nothing! Only gaudy accessories of exclusivity mean anything!
That's the entire point of this thread - he did NOT get what he paid for. He got less. He was promised an "exclusive" skin, which exclusivity obviously adds value. How much value? Enough for some people where PCGamer isn't sold to have people buy it and physically ship it to them, obviously at much greater cost than "US retail", due to shipping, and in terms of different standards of living as well. For some countries of the world, $20 is 10% of the monthly salary, post-tax. If he was purchasing the magazine for "a skin", like, a regular, NOT "exclusive" or "limited" one, he would've received exactly what he paid for.
That's the ENTIRE point of releasing "Exclusive" digital content. To make you feel entitled, VIP, special, EXCLUSIVE. Exclusive content is by definition special. Everyone else who doesn't have it is literally "excluded." If it wasn't exclusive and advertised as such, this whole issue would certainly not exist.
Nice thought, but more mental masturbation than what really happens. In reality, the fewer people purchase something (as long as there's also a limited time period) the more exclusive it is, therefore the more valuable, therefore the more desirable, therefore the more expensive.
Case in point, ****ty worthless electric car from 1900 containing low-tech junk and completely useless nowadays sold for more than a modern Tesla recently. Why? Because it's exclusive, not because it looks better, not because it drives better, not because you're more of a "core fan" if you have it. Just because it's exclusive. That's all.
Let me ask you this, how would you feel if a "Limited Edition" car was announced, 500 were produced and bought, one of which by you (in reality all of these are pre-ordered before they're even announced or shortly thereafter - the demand for exclusivity is so high), and then next year the company is like "oh we feel bad that not too many people got a car, here's 200 more. For ****ing FREE."
Obviously, it's an exaggeration, but this is why people feel cheated about this. It's also obviously about the principle of being lied to, or at least not been upfront with, not about an ugly-*** skin.
I wish when people do "Limited Editions" of digital content, they numbered them "X of Y" on the skin, like "Skin 234 of 2500" by order of redemption.
Speaking of exclusivity and order of redemption... All kinds of seemingly "stupid" markets exist for exclusivity. It may not be valuable for some people, but it's INCREDIBLY valuable for others. An example that came to mind - low-digit Steam account numbers
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That's the entire point of this thread - he did NOT get what he paid for. He got less. He was promised an "exclusive" skin, which exclusivity obviously adds value. How much value? Enough for some people where PCGamer isn't sold to have people buy it and physically ship it to them, obviously at much greater cost than "US retail", due to shipping, and in terms of different standards of living as well. For some countries of the world, $20 is 10% of the monthly salary, post-tax. If he was purchasing the magazine for "a skin", like, a regular, NOT "exclusive" or "limited" one, he would've received exactly what he paid for.
That's the ENTIRE point of releasing "Exclusive" digital content. To make you feel entitled, VIP, special, EXCLUSIVE. Exclusive content is by definition special. Everyone else who doesn't have it is literally "excluded." If it wasn't exclusive and advertised as such, this whole issue would certainly not exist.
Nice thought, but more mental masturbation than what really happens. In reality, the fewer people purchase something (as long as there's also a limited time period) the more exclusive it is, therefore the more valuable, therefore the more desirable, therefore the more expensive.
Case in point, ****ty worthless electric car from 1900 containing low-tech junk and completely useless nowadays sold for more than a modern Tesla recently. Why? Because it's exclusive, not because it looks better, not because it drives better, not because you're more of a "core fan" if you have it. Just because it's exclusive. That's all.
Let me ask you this, how would you feel if a "Limited Edition" car was announced, 500 were produced and bought, one of which by you (in reality all of these are pre-ordered before they're even announced or shortly thereafter - the demand for exclusivity is so high), and then next year the company is like "oh we feel bad that not too many people got a car, here's 200 more. For ****ing FREE."
Obviously, it's an exaggeration, but this is why people feel cheated about this. It's also obviously about the principle of being lied to, or at least not been upfront with, not about an ugly-*** skin.
I wish when people do "Limited Editions" of digital content, they numbered them "X of Y" on the skin, like "Skin 234 of 2500" by order of redemption.
Speaking of exclusivity and order of redemption... All kinds of seemingly "stupid" markets exist for exclusivity. It may not be valuable for some people, but it's INCREDIBLY valuable for others. An example that came to mind - low-digit Steam account numbers
Dude, I love you for saying all of this, took the words "exactly" from my mouth!
Your right about the reality of less people buying something makes it "more" exclusive HeatSurge. This is why I specifically said "If NO ONE paid into" meaning they just flat out wouldn't offer "exclusive" stuff because there would be not point thus meaning, any content (or what ever it may be) would be made available to all people.
What is all this "Core fan" **** anyway. What make one more of a fan than another. Just because they are willing to throw a bunch of money at something? I don't think so m8's. What gives your little group the honors of determining who is a "Core" fan and who is on the outside or lesser of a fan.
Just because your people paid for a magazine to get a jacket does not make you more of a fan than the next guy. That simply means you spend your currency more frivolously than others. So I have convinced many of my REAL friends that I have physically seen in person to buy KF and KF2. I have also gifted 2 copies of KF1 and 1 copy of KF2 to friends on Steam. Not to receive anything but so I could play fun games with friend, real life and social media friends. So because I have helped promote TWI and their games by purchasing their products I declare to you that I am a True "Core" fan as well.
Now again you feel cheated or mislead and that's your point Correct? I read your statement and this is why I personal (not because someone else said it) see it as people who feel entitled to something they essentially already got. So 8k more people got it through different methods then you. Its still a "exclusive" item, its just not as exclusive as you would like it to be. Hence the self-entitlement. There is still a substantially large amount of people out there that do not have this Jacket and it is still an exclusive content item to them.
The fact that you even have the jacket is you reward for you Core fanisms.
What is all this "Core fan" **** anyway. What make one more of a fan than another. Just because they are willing to throw a bunch of money at something? I don't think so m8's. What gives your little group the honors of determining who is a "Core" fan and who is on the outside or lesser of a fan.
Just because your people paid for a magazine to get a jacket does not make you more of a fan than the next guy. That simply means you spend your currency more frivolously than others. So I have convinced many of my REAL friends that I have physically seen in person to buy KF and KF2. I have also gifted 2 copies of KF1 and 1 copy of KF2 to friends on Steam. Not to receive anything but so I could play fun games with friend, real life and social media friends. So because I have helped promote TWI and their games by purchasing their products I declare to you that I am a True "Core" fan as well.
Now again you feel cheated or mislead and that's your point Correct? I read your statement and this is why I personal (not because someone else said it) see it as people who feel entitled to something they essentially already got. So 8k more people got it through different methods then you. Its still a "exclusive" item, its just not as exclusive as you would like it to be. Hence the self-entitlement. There is still a substantially large amount of people out there that do not have this Jacket and it is still an exclusive content item to them.
The fact that you even have the jacket is you reward for you Core fanisms.
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Who cares about what's exclusive and what's not?
I care about having a full game. It's either complete, or I don't even need the other DLCs. If they started distributing to every single person on steam, on the forums, on he street a "this is the most generic, unimportant, meaningless bit of content for Killing Floor 2" item, I'd still get it, because it's part of the game that I love and therefore I want it. That's what makes me get stuff, not exclusivity. Exclusive stuff in fact discourages me from investing money into a game.
I care about having a full game. It's either complete, or I don't even need the other DLCs. If they started distributing to every single person on steam, on the forums, on he street a "this is the most generic, unimportant, meaningless bit of content for Killing Floor 2" item, I'd still get it, because it's part of the game that I love and therefore I want it. That's what makes me get stuff, not exclusivity. Exclusive stuff in fact discourages me from investing money into a game.
You should start a group and a thread to complain about that issue. This thread is not about that issue.
This thread is about a promise that TWI made, a statement in a magazine promotion that misled thousands of core fans. This thread is about getting TWI to respond to upset customers over that issue and start a discussion.
Alright, fair enough. Sorry for hijacking the thread, I was just reacting to HeatSurge's post.
You may not, but people do. There are many reasons why people might have bought the code. I say bought the code, because let's face it, hardly anybody gives a **** about PC Gamer these days, and I would guess most people who are on this forum bought it that month mostly because of the code and they wouldn't have bothered at all otherwise.
So... some may have bought it just because it was "a skin," some may have bought it because "I want to support tripwire," some may have bought it because they like PC Gamer anyway... many reasons, but I would say a big reason why a lot of people bought it is because it was indeed exclusive. It may not have been valuable at all to some, but you can bet it was very valuable to others for that specific reason of exclusivity. And it's this subgroup of whatever % of people who bought the code for that specific reason of exclusivity which have been posting here and elsewhere.
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Very well said.
This whole 'core fan' mentality seriously is a just plain silly. I played the mod when it was just a mod for ut2k4 yet I don't have this skin because I wasn't aware of this promotion until months later when I read something about it on these forums. Does that make me any less of a 'core' fan? No. I just don't read gaming magazines, I haven't since the Dec 01 issue of PC Gamer... yet some guy who never played kf1 and by chance has the magazine and the code to use in KF2 should be considered a greater fan than me? How does that work?
These original magazine codes were being sold long before the new raffle started, they were on ebay and people were doing steam trades for them. The exclusiveness of this jacket for 'core' fans was forfeit as soon as the first codes were put up for sale because you don't know if the guy who's wearing it in the game is someone with 800 hours in kf1 or just some guy who had money to spend and no experience in the franchise at all.
The core fan base are people who have supported Tripwire and KF for years, have not only bought most if not all their products and DLC, but have spent time making guides, maps, mods.
BUYING A DLC IS NOT WHAT MAKES US PART OF THE CORE FAN BASE AND NO ONE HERE IS SAYING THAT.
We have been tracking KF2 since the first time Tripwire hinted they might make it. We were there when they had the promotion for THE BALL pre-order and remember that Tripwire kept their word.
We wanted to participate in a promotion sponsored by Tripwire. Its not about being exclusive. Many of us went out of our way to help others get that magazine. We drove around to different stores, spent time, effort, gas, money just to help other fans We started a group specifically to help people find codes.
WE ARE NOT SAYING WE ARE CORE FANS BECAUSE WE BOUGHT THE DLC.
We are part of that core fan base. Casual fans that are going to buy KF1 in a humble bundle would not go through those efforts. People buying KF 2 only on sale, playing 50 hours and complaining it needs more cowbell are not going to put in that effort.
These early promotions are targeted at people looking to buy KF2 day one, of which most are its core fan base. They read that Tripwire told them 3x in the same promotion, made it the only bolded statement " get this unique skin ONLY by BUYING the PRINT edition .... edition #254" Tripwire and PC Gamer clearly said the only way to get it is to buy the print magazine. Selling your code from that print magazine.... your decision. Tripwire providing that code outside of print edition #254...... like making the original Harchier Spebbington available without pre-ordering THE BALL. A commitment was made by them. Tripwire could have said " its in this magazine and later will be for sale as a DLC for $.50 or $5.00". THEY DID NOT
No one is saying you can't be a core fan if you didn't go after the DLC. Not all core fans wanted the DLC, but the vast majority of those who did want it are core fans.
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Actually, based on how many scalper codes are for sale. I think the majority was bought by scalpers and people looking to capitalize on your mindset of "exclusivity makes me better in video games"
You should start your own thread about how you want to talk to TWI about this iss- oh wait, it got locked. Still not getting the hint huh? This thread, my thread, was made about your petty gripes about a so called "promise" that barely anyone cares about. Come in here and tell me what my own thread was about, I think not.
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Sorry to say, but if you look at the PC-Gamer page here, then it says in the title:
That means that the skin is exclusive and doesn't come out of the box with KF2. A way to get it is(was) by buying the printed PC-Gamer #254 edition. The title didn't say that it was the only way to obtain it.
Then later on in the article they say:
That part only says that you can get it by buying the printed version and not with any eVersion of that magazine edition. It's a bit of an open sentence which can be read differently.
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To prevent confusion, I'm not a TWI employee. What I wrote is simply my observation/opinion.
That means that the skin is exclusive and doesn't come out of the box with KF2. A way to get it is(was) by buying the printed PC-Gamer #254 edition. The title didn't say that it was the only way to obtain it.
Then later on in the article they say:
That part only says that you can get it by buying the printed version and not with any eVersion of that magazine edition. It's a bit of an open sentence which can be read differently.
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To prevent confusion, I'm not a TWI employee. What I wrote is simply my observation/opinion.
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Oh hey GUYS! LOOK! TWI RESPONDED TO YOUR ARGUMENTS!
Also, ducky, that argument was made about 1000 steam posts ago. They tried man, they tried so hard to make them see how legal speak works but, to no avail.
To clarify, I'm not from TWI. I'm only a moderator on their forum. In other words, my post is not a TWI statement.
Open sentence in what way?
The sentence " you can only get it by BUYING the PRINT EDITION.....edition #254" is repeated 3x and is the only bolded statement.
It could say " you can only get it NOW in the magazine, but it will be available later", but does not.
It sets specific limits. It must be from the PC gamer magazine....... in addition it must be the print edition, it must be edition #254, it show the specific cover art for that edition.
Knowing how the original Harchier Spebbington was limited to only the pre-order of The Ball, seeing the same sentence in the title, bolded in the main section of the promotion, and repeated at the end of the promotion, clearly it was intended to induce people to buy that magazine if they ever wanted a chance to get that skin.
If you are looking for an excuse as to why TWI doesn't have to meet their commitment, you can find some obtuse loop hole. If you take it on face value, read the statement to be simply what it states, it says
" the ONLY way to get this unique skin is by BUYING the PRINT EDITION", simple, clear, to the point. Get the print edition or you don't get the skin.
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It was clear, get the print edition or you don't get the skin, cause the eVersion doesn't give it. What part of that are you not understanding? Like seriously, if all you are going to do is whine about legalities and not take any form of legal actions then you're going nowhere mate. I knew this would happen. you aren't here for any official statement, what you are here for is a specific official statement claiming you are right. Just go to the courts already if you're so adamant about this.
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It is very common for a paying customers to have a complaint about a product or service and to ask to speak to the management of the business and to have the management speak with them about the issue.
Happens every day across the world.
We are requesting a response from TWI. We have that right. You are welcome to disagree, I respect that right. The forum is full of topics if this one is not to your liking.
Happens every day across the world.
We are requesting a response from TWI. We have that right. You are welcome to disagree, I respect that right. The forum is full of topics if this one is not to your liking.
Na, the irony here is you tell someone else to go to a different thread cause they were not talking about the jacket. All while you came onto my thread with your little petty vendetta to feel special on mine. Go to the courts, go take this crap up with someone who can do something.