[Game] Disappointed in Rainbow? Me 2, thinking about starting a UT 3 mod

[Murphy]

Make it have crosshairs and no weaponmodels!
Saves a lot of time, resources and animators, who are generally hard to come by, PLUS it will restrict the player-base to those hard-core enough to be willing to play without first-person weaponmodels PLUS no nitpicking on the models (!) PLUS easier to change stuff like recoil, reloading speed, etc. because you don't need to change the visual representation too if your crosshairs system is good enough PLUS it saves your the trouble of making first- and third-person animations match, PLUS nonexistant first-person weaponmodels can't look awkward when crawling or sprinting!
PLUS further differenciation from other mods. No need for another Counterstrike-clone-looking shooter with a new set of interpretations of one and the same weapon.

 

[Ermac]

Make it have crosshairs and no weaponmodels!
Saves a lot of time, resources and animators, who are generally hard to come by, PLUS it will restrict the player-base to those hard-core enough to be willing to play without first-person weaponmodels PLUS no nitpicking on the models (!) PLUS easier to change stuff like recoil, reloading speed, etc. because you don't need to change the visual representation too if your crosshairs system is good enough PLUS it saves your the trouble of making first- and third-person animations match, PLUS nonexistant first-person weaponmodels can't look awkward when crawling or sprinting!
PLUS further differenciation from other mods. No need for another Counterstrike-clone-looking shooter with a new set of interpretations of one and the same weapon.

NO! I don't think old school fans would like that even.

 

[Jono]

I may or may not be in agreement with you Ermac, but one lesson you're gonna' have to learn on these forums, is to back up strong opinions with evidence.

 

[The Masta]

Make it have crosshairs and no weaponmodels!
Saves a lot of time, resources and animators, who are generally hard to come by, PLUS it will restrict the player-base to those hard-core enough to be willing to play without first-person weaponmodels PLUS no nitpicking on the models (!) PLUS easier to change stuff like recoil, reloading speed, etc. because you don't need to change the visual representation too if your crosshairs system is good enough PLUS it saves your the trouble of making first- and third-person animations match, PLUS nonexistant first-person weaponmodels can't look awkward when crawling or sprinting!
PLUS further differenciation from other mods. No need for another Counterstrike-clone-looking shooter with a new set of interpretations of one and the same weapon.

you mean like R6, RS and GR? I

 

[DraKon2k]

you mean like R6, RS and GR? I

 

[Ermac]

It wasen't a technical reason actually but a conscious design decision according to one of the devs. Having a first person weapom model makes you feel like you're actually firing the weapon rather then a painted crosshair.

 

[Zell]

No, having no first person weapon model made me feel like I was shooting bullets out of my eyes. A first person model would be necessary, but it should be done "correctly" IE, not sprouting out of the player's neck like every game out there now. No one seems to be able to get the weapon position right...

 

[Dumba [cro]]

...arguments for the Source engine but also one big contra argument.: NO !!!

awesome!

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

*Cough*

http://www.makesomethingunreal.com/

*Cough*

 

[Nimsky]

Hey, a new MSU contest? Cool. Is modding for UE3 popular though?

As for the crosshairs in the first couple of R6's, they were quite unique for its time. That game wouldn't "feel" the same if it had weapon models. So leaving weapon models out would achieve the "feeling" of the first R6 a little bit better, though having weapon models is more realistic.

 

[Grobut]

Hey, a new MSU contest? Cool. Is modding for UE3 popular though?

No, for a myriad of reasons, the modders have been fleeing the UT3 community like rats on a sinking ship, including some of the guys who where practically an institution since the Unreal days.

 

[Xendance]

No, for a myriad of reasons, the modders have been fleeing the UT3 community like rats on a sinking ship, including some of the guys who where practically an institution since the Unreal days.

Who guys?

 

[Yoshiro]

Ok at this point it looks like I am going to move forward with it, but not at a blistering pace (IE: no MSU hopes).

Will see about setting up a webpage and recruitment in the next few weeks. But I also look to be helping another UT 3 mod that will take priority for me (as it has a team) for the moment.

 

[Xendance]

What another mod?

 

[Ermac]

Yoshi, I think it would be a better idea to make this on COD 4 instead of UE3. Modding is really becoming tough these days making entirely new games from scratch and COD 4 already has alot of content to use already, plus alot more people play COD 4 then Unreal 3.

 

[KrazyKraut]

I don't know. People like seeing new stuff. Just look how everyone drools whenever a mod team posts some renders of new weapon models. New content often enough gets more attention than new gameplay features. Then again, the die-hard R6 fans maybe don't care. Could go either way. You need some really good texture artists though to keep up to the CoD4 standard,.

 

[Britney Federline]

I wonder how key it would be for the mod to have hand signals. It seems to me like they are kind of a holy grail for realism in tactical shooters, but they would hard to implement in an intuitive and effective way.

Even if you could come up with, say, a mouse gesture-based hand signal system (hit a modifier key to activate--easier to use than a command menu), I think that the signals would become harder to recognize on a computer screen than they would be in real life, especially as distances increase and you're in a dark corridor. So do you have icons appear above an avatar's head to show what they are signalling, or flash a text command next to him? If so, there goes a big chunk of realism.

And what if they don't get the hand signal exactly right? Although a mouse gesture system would be great, it would be easy to do the wrong hand signal--unless there's a hand signal for "Forget that, I screwed up that signal, I'll give you the correct one," which there probably is.

I just think that tweaking the weapon values for more realism, which I think is what "more realism" means to most people, is not good enough. You'd need a lot of difference to make it worth people's while, and I think hand signals are one of the ways you could do that, but I don't think it's enough. I think you could add realistic radio action--AI would use it to call in reinforcements in an unscripted way, and you could have jammers and detectors to complicate matters. That + hand signals + uh, something else fairly major gameplay-wise, and you have something that I would be interested in.

 

[Yoshiro]

Just to clarify a few things.

1) I do NOT want to 1:1 remake any Rainbow 6 game (this is a fast way to a cease and desist order from Ubisoft)
2) I do want to recreate 1:1 the feel of the older Rainbow 6 games (at least as a starting point) I want to nail down gameplay

 

[Murphy]

Handsignals are a great idea and they would work much better in a R6 type of game than in something with much wider areas. I would suggest to use a command-menu like the one in RavenShield. A mixture of a context- and distance-sensitive command-ring though you could easily fit in more than the four blades they have in RS. Six would be a good maximum I think. When activated with a Left-Click the guy gives the orders over radio and when done with a right-click he does hand-signals.
For differenciation purposes you could also add those cheesy but helpfull woosh-woosh sounds to the movements of the arm and a good sound for the fist contracting or stretching out (only audible for your team, of course).

 

[Ermac]

Loads of old school fans seem to bash Vegas's third person view because Raven Shield has made them forget that Rainbow Six and Rogue Spear had third person in it. I'd like to see third person in this mod.