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[Das Bose]

50 players on Danzig is overkill.

For you it might be, I loved it and so did/do many others, hence it's popularity.

You can complain until the cows come home, it was still the most popular map by a large margin, so I would get used to it.

Lots of maps have design flaws, and no maps are ever popular if they are not fun. The player numbers and 24/7 servers Danzig spawned tell me that only you and a very small minority had any real issues with it

 

[ductape3]

For you it might be, I loved it and so did/do many others, hence it's popularity.

You can complain until the cows come home, it was still the most popular map by a large margin, so I would get used to it.

Lots of maps have design flaws, and no maps are ever popular if they are not fun. The player numbers and 24/7 servers Danzig spawned tell me that only you and a very small minority had any real issues with it

You have to play where the players are. Considering that its usually the only high player count NA server running...

 

[Crni-Wuk]

For you it might be, I loved it and so did/do many others, hence it's popularity.

You can complain until the cows come home, it was still the most popular map by a large margin, so I would get used to it.

Lots of maps have design flaws, and no maps are ever popular if they are not fun. The player numbers and 24/7 servers Danzig spawned tell me that only you and a very small minority had any real issues with it

I am curious how many people played the map though because it was the ONLY one with a full server at that point. Playing Danzig sure was or can be fun. No one will argue about that. But many agree that 50 people on that map has shown RO:O from its worst side feeling a bit to arcade in some situations. It is not like people didnt complained about it. Just because something is popular doesnt mean it is the way to go or that "most people liked it". Sometimes it is more that you dont have a choice or I dont know. It just seems to happen sadly.

 

[CopperHead]

I am curious how many people played the map though because it was the ONLY one with a full server at that point. Playing Danzig sure was or can be fun. No one will argue about that. But many agree that 50 people on that map has shown RO:O from its worst side feeling a bit to arcade in some situations. It is not like people didnt complained about it. Just because something is popular doesnt mean it is the way to go or that "most people liked it". Sometimes it is more that you dont have a choice or I dont know. It just seems to happen sadly.

Wow. Someone picked up on it. I posted this observation almost a year ago in the TaT recruitment thread. With RO being basically dead as far as variety of populated servers in the US, people go to where the other players are. That is because some of us just want to play, even if it is 24/7 on the same damn map every single day. I mean, that's how I feel. I already know that their are going to be 24/7 rotations of certain maps for HOS, that's fine! But it definitely.. DEFINITELY, does not mean that it's a great map.. that's a gross misunderstanding in the highest degree.

 

[<animal>INSTINCT]

Danzig definately appeals to a more COD-style of gameplay (which would explain why the 24/7 Danzig servers were always populated)

It's not a bad map really, it's just that it is meant for roughly 24-player matches. Even at 32 players, I felt that the map was very crowded.

I personally prefer CA maps like Konigsplatz or Berezina, but those aren't exactly ideal for learning RO's basics, since dying means at least a full minute of walking before you can get back into the action. Still, if any maps deserved to have their own 50-player 24/7 servers, it would be CA maps like that, where 50 players is actually ideal for a good battle

 

[pæmøer]

Still, if any maps deserved to have their own 50-player 24/7 servers, it would be CA maps like that, where 50 players is actually ideal for a good battle

Well, there IS a 24/7 Berezina server

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I am curious how many people played the map though because it was the ONLY one with a full server at that point. Playing Danzig sure was or can be fun. No one will argue about that. But many agree that 50 people on that map has shown RO:O from its worst side feeling a bit to arcade in some situations. It is not like people didnt complained about it. Just because something is popular doesnt mean it is the way to go or that "most people liked it". Sometimes it is more that you dont have a choice or I dont know. It just seems to happen sadly.

Yes, definitely this to some extent.

 

[Das Bose]

LOL!

So Danzig was played 24/7 by people who hated it but had no choice? Anything is better than admitting it was actually a really popular map eh?

Let's just agree to differ.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Well, if you have noticed that as of lately, that the 24/7 Danzig servers aren't populated (not when I'm on anyway) because other servers are getting gameplay. Hence the logic that the average player migrates to the populated servers instead of sitting in empty/near empty ones waiting for something to happen.

 

[CopperHead]

Some people just can't admit they might be wrong. Oh well.

 

[Alvin Fuchs]

Some people just can't admit they might be wrong. Oh well.

What?! You mean people don't like SVT-PPsH-StG-Hip-Fire and grenade spam and that it's forced upon them because they're playing on one of the only populated servers!??

Madness.


/s

 

[Crni-Wuk]

LOL!

So Danzig was played 24/7 by people who hated it but had no choice? Anything is better than admitting it was actually a really popular map eh?

Let's just agree to differ.

I would not use the word "hate" because thats a pretty strong word for such a case. See it more as a slight annoyance. Or preference. I am sure you like the taste of Pizza
(At least in SOME form)YouTube - Gimme Pizza Slow
Gimme Danzig D: ?

but that doesn't mean you eat it every time be it in the morning or evening. The same can be applied to Danzig. As said it certainly IS a nice looking map which has a lot of potential for fun. But it can get very boring very fast because Danzig ... yeah as some said it already feels a bit "codish" (for the lack of better words ...)

PARTICULARLY with 50 people on it. What urban maps (or many maps) lack is realistic form of movement which creates bottlenecks, people joining in for a quick 20min match where they just run around spraying in every direction. You dont have much of that on Berezina because it isnt something that really works. Danzig well. I wish it would have more routes to the objectives. A bit biger eventually. To many times where you been raped on the bridge as Soviet. Pushed back to your spawn as axis ... to many times killed by that pixel from the window while you tried to hold the enemy away with your machinegun etc. etc.

I know people like the fast fight sometimes. I do as well. I am just a usual gamer. But What I like more is diversity. A game where people enjoy the gameplay of Berezina as much as they do with Danzig. Arad ... sure a funn map. But it starts to become old when you had that IS2 in the courner of the map camping with its armor angled for the 4th or 5th time in a row ... (I hope angling will not matter THAT much considering how many weak spots a tank has).

I can only speak for my self. And I sure do NOT hate danzig. It is just that I am personaly very weary from the gameplay it offers.

 

[Alvin Fuchs]

Well said, Wuk.

 

[Das Bose]

I would not use the word "hate" because thats a pretty strong word for such a case. See it more as a slight annoyance. Or preference. I am sure you like the taste of Pizza
(At least in SOME form)

but that doesn't mean you eat it every time be it in the morning or evening. The same can be applied to Danzig. As said it certainly IS a nice looking map which has a lot of potential for fun. But it can get very boring very fast because Danzig ... yeah as some said it already feels a bit "codish" (for the lack of better words ...)

PARTICULARLY with 50 people on it. What urban maps (or many maps) lack is realistic form of movement which creates bottlenecks, people joining in for a quick 20min match where they just run around spraying in every direction. You dont have much of that on Berezina because it isnt something that really works. Danzig well. I wish it would have more routes to the objectives. A bit biger eventually. To many times where you been raped on the bridge as Soviet. Pushed back to your spawn as axis ... to many times killed by that pixel from the window while you tried to hold the enemy away with your machinegun etc. etc.

I know people like the fast fight sometimes. I do as well. I am just a usual gamer. But What I like more is diversity. A game where people enjoy the gameplay of Berezina as much as they do with Danzig. Arad ... sure a funn map. But it starts to become old when you had that IS2 in the courner of the map camping with its armor angled for the 4th or 5th time in a row ... (I hope angling will not matter THAT much considering how many weak spots a tank has).

I can only speak for my self. And I sure do NOT hate danzig. It is just that I am personaly very weary from the gameplay it offers.

The reason I keep on about Danzig is that I was there when it took off and the 24/7 servers arrived, and while I can understand that in NA there were a shortage of other servers to choose from, that was never the case in Europe, and people flocked to Danzig through choice

Also your point about pixel snipers applies to all RO maps.

I am fairly weary of RO gameplay in general, it's been going a long time, but I will tire of running miles before I will tire of any spam

I play DH atm, mainly because they fixed the nerfed MG's and got rid of the insane SMG recoil, which alters gameplay quite a bit for the better imho, although I'm not so sure about the penetration.

 

[Crni-Wuk]

DH has no penetration. Well not any I would know about. What they did was giving HEAT rockets like the Panzerfaust, Bazooka and Schreck the possibilty to hit trough solid cover like walls and such which is quite great if you want to take out snipers or simply people hidding behind some window. Very effective sometimes. Theh in particular on those maps where you have a church tower with cramped space. You will get 2-3 people with one hit most of the time

On the other side. Only the BREN and 30Cal actually have realy seen a lot of changes since the DH team said they had trouble with the recoil of the German machineguns. In some way. No clue. I dont have enough knowledge about the engine or game to say anything accurate. But you will notice that the 30cal is in DH quite easy to control while the MG42 and 34 still kick lime mules and give you the feeling your shoulder is made of rubber.

And yes! THe change in accuracy for the MPs really did a lot to the gameplay !

I am fairly weary of RO gameplay in general,

Same here. Though it is not so much the gameplay but more those "small" details which make a difference. You know. When you see a T34-76 taking shells from a Panzer IV H like they are penuts. Or the 88mm shells bouncing of from IS2 armor on point blank range. The same of course with German vehicles when you see the Panther taking richochets from the 122mm shells to the turret. It seems that there are quite a lot of situations where even the PAK40 managed to score a hit on the front of the IS2 with damage and that on quite some range. Not to mention the 88mm. The turret ring of the IS2 was definetly a weak point even on long range. Though even that was not so much the problem because of "simplicity" one can accept a "box" for the armor so the IS2 beeing quite resistant to the Panzer IV is no issue. But a T34-85 or 76 taking multiple hits from a Panther or Tiger ? That was something I always feelt as a bit frustrating. I really hope that more complexity here with the armor in RO2 will change it. So even if you can NOT "cleary" penetrate you might still have a chance to cause damage. One of the things I like so much about Men of War (real time strategy) is that even medium tanks have a decent chance of taking out heavy armor by doing some damage to the turret, guns and other parts forcing the enemy armor to retreat. THere is nothing more fun then hiting that Panther with your 76mm gun and see its turret jammed and/or the gun damaged!

I am really looking forward to more realistic movement and penetration by small arms (like rifles, machineguns and such).

 

[VariousNames]

For you it might be, I loved it and so did/do many others, hence it's popularity.

You can complain until the cows come home, it was still the most popular map by a large margin, so I would get used to it.

Lots of maps have design flaws, and no maps are ever popular if they are not fun. The player numbers and 24/7 servers Danzig spawned tell me that only you and a very small minority had any real issues with it

Wanna know what's even more popular than Danzig? Call of Duty.

There is almost no correlation between quality and popularity, let alone a causation.

I can acknowledge that Danzig is popular all day long, but I will not for one second deny any of the issues I've raised, and I will not tolerate anyone telling me that they do not exist. I didn't say that I didn't enjoy Danzig, and that I haven't played it for dozens of hours, I said it had issues. Now, we can all have a herd mentality, or we can try and think for ourselves. Let's try and do that, okay?

And you're not going to tell me that because something is popular it's perfect. That's a non-sequitor, it's unrealistic, and it's obnoxious.

I never said that people can't enjoy Danzig, I never said it was overall a bad map, now let's have a discussion like grownups, okay? Real life issues have nuances.

 

[Bluehawk]

Thing is, before retail, I can't remember the original Danzig being all that popular. When it wasn't in Ostfront I said "that's a shame," but then when they finally ported it over it exploded like you wouldn't believe.

Frankly, I don't like 24/7 servers of any kind, no matter what the map is. I can't stand knowing that after the current round, it'll load a "new" map and I'll have to do the exact same thing over and over again for hours until I choose to leave. I need variety, and I like to stay on a single server with the same players until someone gives me a reason to move somewhere else.

But that's just me.

 

[DiedTrying]

Wanna know what's even more popular than Danzig? Call of Duty.

There is almost no correlation between quality and popularity, let alone a causation.

I can acknowledge that Danzig is popular all day long, but I will not for one second deny any of the issues I've raised, and I will not tolerate anyone telling me that they do not exist. I didn't say that I didn't enjoy Danzig, and that I haven't played it for dozens of hours, I said it had issues. Now, we can all have a herd mentality, or we can try and think for ourselves. Let's try and do that, okay?

And you're not going to tell me that because something is popular it's perfect. That's a non-sequitor, it's unrealistic, and it's obnoxious.

I never said that people can't enjoy Danzig, I never said it was overall a bad map, now let's have a discussion like grownups, okay? Real life issues have nuances.

I think you've jumped the gun a bit on this post.

 

[bazookatooth]

My clan has 3 servers. 24/7 Danzig, Classic Map Server, and Snipers and Pistols

Guess which one always fills up.
Guess which ones never fill up.

Now granted, a lot of our clan members enjoy playing on the danzig and if we tried harder as an entire clan we might be able to get it going, but its a pain because people have limited time and want to actually play the game.

If you are interested in seeing more play in RO, you are free to come to our servers. We are certainly interested if anyone wants to assist in getting the classic map server populated. We all love the classic maps and many of us would like to play them. PM me if you are interested or have any ideas about how to get our classic map server populated.

 

[VariousNames]

My clan has 3 servers. 24/7 Danzig, Classic Map Server, and Snipers and Pistols

Guess which one always fills up.
Guess which ones never fill up.

Now granted, a lot of our clan members enjoy playing on the danzig and if we tried harder as an entire clan we might be able to get it going, but its a pain because people have limited time and want to actually play the game.

If you are interested in seeing more play in RO, you are free to come to our servers. We are certainly interested if anyone wants to assist in getting the classic map server populated. We all love the classic maps and many of us would like to play them. PM me if you are interested or have any ideas about how to get our classic map server populated.

Name a date and time and I'll be there with as many of my compadres as I can coax into coming