DH Vehicles in an RO Map -- Damage Model??

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jeffduquette

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Was playing on a Russian server today. They were playing some version of Debrecen in which the level designer had imported a number of DH vehicles into the level -- M10, Sherman and Halftrack. They had also imported the DH Panther and German Trucks into the map. I assumed it was the DH panther cause of the file downloads as well as the camo scheme on the thing.

However, after playing for about a half hour I noticed the DH Panther seemed to have no real effect on Russian Tanks. For example I hit a t34/85 in the front from ~1200m EIGHT(!) times and the T34 was unaffected. I also hit an IS2 twice in the side from about 800m -- also no effect. Hit a T34 three times from 200m in the gun mantlet with no effect. This all made me think this was more than a streak of bad luck I was having. Normally Panthers shread T34s with front side or rear hits at any range. Panthers also consistently KO IS2s with side and rear hits, or mantlet hits from the front. I didn't seem to be getting the sort of hit effects I am used to seeing from a Panther on this particular map.

So can DH vehicle files be directly imported into RO like seems to have been done on this weirdo Debrecen Map? Or has there been changes in weapons performance between DH and RO that make swapping vehicle or weapon effects files between the two games result in the above described weirdo results?
 
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jeffduquette

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Went back again. The map\level is called Steel Beasts -- but I don't think it was using the Steel Beasts Mod. The map is basically Debrecen with some added bldgs and such. It's on the 7GTK server.

Played a Panther again just to see if the above was just my imagination. I sat in an ambush position near the "airfield" and hit an IS2 18 times from 600 to 800meters range -- yes that's EIGHTEEN TIMES!! -- in the flank and rear without any visible effects on the tank. No joke -- I was counting the hits to the folks playing the map at the time using team speak. The guy driving the IS2 must have been a real winner cause' never did figure out where I was shooting from. But I got so disgusted I had to leave.
 
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SchutzeSepp

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do you mean that map has working DH vehicles on it?
i don't know of any permission being asked or given for that, it would be outrageous if there are bastards out there stealing our work, and knowing the mapper i strongly doubt he gave any permission to rework his map aswell.
 
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jeffduquette

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SchutzeSepp said:
do you mean that map has working DH vehicles on it?
i don't know of any permission being asked or given for that, it would be outrageous if there are bastards out there stealing our work, and knowing the mapper i strongly doubt he gave any permission to rework his map aswell.
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Don't know if permission was asked or not. You'll have to ask the level designer -- whomever that might be. I know several unknown people have altered my Maslova 1943 map but never bothered to send me an email asking me about it. Ala the Maslova 1943MOD2 map -- it stinks.

That sort of impropriety\ethics question aside for the moment, the Steel Beasts Map I am refering to does indeed have working DH vehicles on it. My question is "Should I expect these sorts of anomolies between DH vehicle files and RO vehicle files?" I can't think of another logical reason why a Panther should pound on an IS2 with eighteen consecutive flank and rear shots with no effect.
 
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ExoCet-NAW

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DH vehicles will not perform well on RO maps in RO. they are coded with changes to them.

Apart from that I would like to know how this guy is as he has blatantly stolen our work with even the decency of asking if he could use any of it.

If anyone could let me know who this guys is please I would be gratefull.
 
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TT33

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on the 7GTK server they run thier own mod which is a mix of stuff (edited AB (I do not think they asked amzuar's permission to edit his work) + something else) ultimately it makes the IS-2 invulnerable to the Tiger I and Panther and the T-34 a tough tank to kill with any tank its not realistic a mutator. DH tanks will not work well with RO tanks unless recoded.
 
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jeffduquette

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Thanks Exocet and TT33. That's what I thought, but wanted to know from someone that might know what they are talking about.

It was a very large download from 7GTK the first time I entered the level. Took about 15 or 20-minutes, but I noticed numerous DH files amongst the download -- panzerschrek, bazooka, BAR, thompson -- etc etc etc.
 
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marc-olaf

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Well, I agree that it is not correct, if someone use the DH-Tanks or other stuff without permission. There are no excuses.

But on the other hand, I think, many players dream about it, to use the great stuff from DH and MN and CC in normal RO.

I think about lend-and-lease tanks on russian side, the Panzerschreck and the Opel-Blitz on german side. Especially the Fallschirmj
 
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