Dedicated German AT rifle

[Raven1986]

The PTRD of RO Mod and Ostfront was single round with reload after each shot. Never was an issue, at least for me. I think that along with this wrong weapon there is still a lot to wish for in the game. Thinking of the trailer we miss a lot of things. Just like there are no AT guns you can use. Especially moveable guns.

and as always: Let the mapper decide the weapons!

 

[aaz777]

There were cases on Kursk when soviet AT riflemen penetrated panther side armor at point blank. Although 1942 PTRS tests showed that BS-41 penetrates only about 38mm even at point blank. Probably quality of BS-41 ammo has changed in 1942-43 or there was just a mistake with armor thickness

 

[Panzer Jager '43]

36mm at 500m lol. The Pzb could only do 25mm at 300m. So saying "almost double" is correct. The PTRS could also get through 40mm sloped at 60 degrees at 100m. The round itself was also far more damaging once it penetrated than the PZB round. The PZB needs to be worse than the PTRS.

http://www.russianammo.org/Russian_Ammunition_Page_145mm.html#4

30mm at 100m with certain types of 14.5mm ammo. 25mm at 500m.

 

[Lemonater47]

http://www.russianammo.org/Russian_Ammunition_Page_145mm.html#4

30mm at 100m with certain types of 14.5mm ammo. 25mm at 500m.

With a 60 degree slope it says. Not 90 degree. It even lists the armour used.

Other data comes from actually firing at german tanks.

That website of yours uses commas as decimal points lol. Very professional.

 

[Beskar Mando]

With a 60 degree slope it says. Not 90 degree. It even lists the armour used.

Other data comes from actually firing at german tanks.

That website of yours uses commas as decimal points lol. Very professional.

You haven't been to anywhere have you? Not to be rude, but I'm just saying this, other countries use the comma for this...

 

[aaz777]

With a 60 degree slope it says. Not 90 degree. It even lists the armour used.

Other data comes from actually firing at german tanks.

That website of yours uses commas as decimal points lol. Very professional.

What should they use instead?

 

[Marsalkka Mahtimeisseli]

That website of yours uses commas as decimal points lol. Very professional.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#/media/FileecimalSeparator.svg[/URL]

 

[Lemonater47]

Yeah but it's in English. One would assume English marks.

Anyway that's beside the point. The german AT rifle if implemented shouldn't have nearly as much penatration as the PTRS and shouldn't do as much damage as the PTRS if it penetrates.

 

[mrsirr]

I mean, I think surely the plan is to make it behave as it would and not just be a single-shot reskin of the PTRS.

 

[Panzer Jager '43]

With a 60 degree slope it says. Not 90 degree. It even lists the armour used.

Other data comes from actually firing at german tanks.

That website of yours uses commas as decimal points lol. Very professional.

30/sin60 is only 35mm. And what is your source? I have yet to see one. This 'Russian Ammo' page which you choose to disregard is also the source of Wikipedia, so I expect your answer to be different than that.

 

[Lemonater47]

30/sin60 is only 35mm. And what is your source? I have yet to see one. This 'Russian Ammo' page which you choose to disregard is also the source of Wikipedia, so I expect your answer to be different than that.

But it is different though https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5

 

[aaz777]

PTRS with BS-41 tungsten core ammo tested on german 1942 tanks.
Important statements:
45mm, 40mm is not penetrated at point blank
28-30mm ( 3 different places ) 200m penetrated, 500 m penetrated, 400 m penetrated
34 mm, 8 degrees angle, 100 m penetrated.

But.

There is another interesting thing

Spoiler!

Одна

 

[Panzer Jager '43]

But it is different though https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5

 

[aaz777]

early panthers had weak armor? why?

 

[Lemonater47]

What makes an AT rifle viable is the damage caused. Not the penatration. So the 7.92 round penetrates. Then what?? What's left of the round ain't gonna do much. A lot of it broke on impact and it's now loving at a much lower velocity. It isn't even incendiary. Penetrates the rear. What's let's of it bounces off the engine. Making lots of little neat holes in the armour isn't gonna do much.

The only way that's gonna do anything is if most of the round hits a crew member.

A PTRS round penetrates. Holy ****. It blinds the crew and shattered metal goes everywhere. It's far more likely to damage bits of the tank also. Double the surface area but quadruple the weight. Doesn't have a useless tear gas thing either.

 

[morticore]

Somewhere in my sources collection about Panther I've found information about unusual penetration of turret side armor by "1,5 cm Hartkern ammo" - it is rather certain thing that was used BS-41.

 

[TovarishTony]

Single shot bolt action AT rifle. The Soviets also have them with the PTRD.

 

[Zakarro]

early panthers had weak armor? why?

And thus has begun the engine lol

Pwn them comrade

 

[chuy]

I mean, I think surely the plan is to make it behave as it would and not just be a single-shot reskin of the PTRS.

I believe reading somewhere that the ptrd had less bullet drop than the /s. But i read this long ago and probably wont be able to find that source anymore. So take it with a grain of salt.