Declining number of populated Classic servers. Bots everywhere.. What now?

[Giuliano]

Granted I'm not saying all Classic fans are like that but I've come across a few people on this forum and ingame who slander RO2 and it non-classic players unmercifully, for whatever reason.

Its a negative, arrogant attitude which turns people away from a mode that I think everyone wants to see succeed.

 

[Ostfrontromantik]

Yes, this setting is actually quite good imho. I just played m-River and it was realism with classic sway and weapons handling. There are more missed shots in general. Most weapons have full or partial unlocks (eg. C-3 remove sight hood, C-2 bayonets, drum mag, etc.) but level 0 firing characteristics.

I like this custom/classic setting a lot and used to host it on our campaign server. Sadly it never attracted more than just 10-15 players tops. And those mostly just killed bots. So I switched it back to full realism and now it is almost always full.

 

[Red_Spring]

Granted I'm not saying all Classic fans are like that but I've come across a few people on this forum and ingame who slander RO2 and it non-classic players unmercifully, for whatever reason.

Its a negative, arrogant attitude which turns people away from a mode that I think everyone wants to see succeed.

Not all classic fans are like that, but sometimes it's like you said...
I like both realism and classic mode, and I agree with you, slandering others because they are not classic players isn't fair... I think (for example) that if I play Classic mode more than realism (or viceversa) it's a personal taste matter and should not imply the skill level of a player or things like that... Even if I like classic mode I give the best in realism mode... In classic servers more than one time I got called "noob" or told to "go back to realism" or even "to CoD", as a player community I think we are all comrades and should respect each other for how we play and what we think

 

[Giuliano]

Not all classic fans are like that, but sometimes it's like you said...
I like both realism and classic mode, and I agree with you, slandering others because they are not classic players isn't fair... I think (for example) that if I play Classic mode more than realism (or viceversa) it's a personal taste matter and should not imply the skill level of a player or things like that... Even if I like classic mode I give the best in realism mode... In classic servers more than one time I got called "noob" or told to "go back to realism" or even "to CoD", as a player community I think we are all comrades and should respect each other for how we play and what we think

This is precisely what I mean.

Why should you get called a noob or told to go back to CoD just because you play a different mode? Its a venomous attitude which needs to be stamped out immediately.

 

[Kleist]

Friendly RO-Player:


Honestly?

I haven

 

[Pdog]

Granted I'm not saying all Classic fans are like that but I've come across a few people on this forum and ingame who slander RO2 and it non-classic players unmercifully, for whatever reason.

Its a negative, arrogant attitude which turns people away from a mode that I think everyone wants to see succeed.

"realism" mode is a joke anyway, should be done away with totally.
to call it realism is laughable.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

"realism" mode is a joke anyway, should be done away with totally.
to call it realism is laughable.

Thank you for not saying anything to reinforce the Realism players' opinion that us Classic players are elitist and snobbish

 

[Giuliano]

"realism" mode is a joke anyway, should be done away with totally.
to call it realism is laughable.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.

Your venomous attitude is what needs to be done away with. Why would anyone want to play Classic mode with someone like you?

Also, realism in a game like this is subjective. You are playing an arena shooter. The sooner you admit that to yourself, the less bitter you will be.

 

[Red_Spring]

@kleist, trust me, I found players like that, I have a 3.76 k/d ratio and I got called "noob" in a classic server, I also got called "fu****g as****le" because I headshotted a guy two times with the ppsh...
By saying this I am not implying that all classic players are like that...

@Mr Moe, I don't think that classic players think to be ubermenschen but in my experience, I crossed paths with classic players like the ones I described, I had some bad luck I think

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

@Mr Moe, I don't think that classic players think to be ubermenschen but in my experience, I crossed paths with classic players like the ones I described, I had some bad luck I think

Yeah, there are good and bad guys in each category. Unfortunately its usually the bad ones that stick out in memory.

 

[CocaineInMyBrain]

I don't know.. I really don't see a whole lot (in fact none) of Realism players towing a "Realism mode is the only true RO, everything else is ****" line, either in game or on these forums. On the other hand the opposite (Classic is the only true RO, Realism is COD) seems to be a fundemental pillar of belief for a lot of Classic players . Or have we already forgotten the whole "replace every mode with Classic because I think its the best" threads, which got resounding support here. Or pretty much every thread about improving Classic inevitably filled with 90% of "LOL REALISM IS COD, LOOK AND LAUGH AT THE ADD KIDDIES" posts.

 

[r5cya]

I don't know.. I really don't see a whole lot (in fact none) of Realism players towing a "Realism mode is the only true RO, everything else is ****" line, either in game or on these forums. On the other hand the opposite (Classic is the only true RO, Realism is COD) seems to be a fundemental pillar of belief for a lot of Classic players . Or have we already forgotten the whole "replace every mode with Classic because I think its the best" threads, which got resounding support here. Or pretty much every thread about improving Classic inevitably filled with 90% of "LOL REALISM IS COD, LOOK AND LAUGH AT THE ADD KIDDIES" posts.

this is so true. it drove me away from even being associated with classic players. I understand their disappointment, but not the attitude. I remember wondering where they all were when the classic mode was being tested in the beta. I didn't see any familiar names. I wonder if they'll show up with the new beta test of classic? i'll be there even if they aren't.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I remember wondering where they all were when the classic mode was being tested in the beta. I didn't see any familiar names. I wonder if they'll show up with the new beta test of classic? i'll be there even if they aren't.

Probably not. Of course most of them were there for the ROHOS Beta testing, me too and I remember many of the old players, but by the time Classic mode even rolled around, wasn't it at least a year later? Maybe most just got tired/fed-up and left at that point. When Ostfront was around, updates and content were frequent. However, it has been slow going for ROHOS and it must have seemed that nothing was going to materialize. I will admit, at the time it seemed that way to me as well.

I'm just guessing of course...

Edit: Just to add, remember all the great maps, mods, vehicles, rideable tanks, S&D and AT guns from the AfterHourz group? Other than Drecks, we lost a lot of talent because of the perceived direction of the game.

 

[r5cya]

=GG= Mr Moe]snip

yeah, I can see why they thought nothing they wanted was going to come in the game. I, myself was kinda unhappy in the beginning. but since I loved ost so much, I stuck around and kept playing and adding input in the suggestion forums and beta. even if I hadn't stuck around, I would have at least popped back in once in a while to suggest changes and test the classic beta.
you're right about losing those guys. it's a shame. there were also a few other mappers/modders i'd like to get back as well.

unfortunately, I don't see the changes coming to classic saving the game at all. i'd love to stay positive about it, but I still think it's just going to always be a division among us. until we end up with just one game mode, like we used to have, it's going to be a problem. I really don't care which way the game went (cept action mode) i'd still play it either way and be happy that one half to two-thirds of the player-base wasn't playing in another mode.

 

[LugNut]

I'd agree that most of those who would be interested in Classic either now or after the slight changes TWI are looking into are long gone or are happily playing Realism.

I'm far more hopeful about Dibblers and PJ mods changing the base game into something that interests me. Both of those mods with leveling turned off would make a large percentage of Realism and Classic fans alike pretty happy and be a great place to start with a single mode idea, with most things also configurable by server admins.

 

[r5cya]

I'm far more hopeful about Dibblers and PJ mods changing the base game into something that interests me. Both of those mods with leveling turned off would make a large percentage of Realism and Classic fans alike pretty happy and be a great place to start with a single mode idea, with most things also configurable by server admins.

unless TWI loves the mods enough to add them to the base game and dump the three modes (highly unlikely) I fear it will be the same as it is now. we have servers running settings that would seem to make most happy, yet hardly no one plays on them. just add the word "custom" to a server, to make people avoid it.

 

[Proud_God]

As an experiment, let's create a scenario where realism mode is in fact, cod, and the real cod never existed. As we know cod has a huge appeal to the public. Realism mode (and thus also RO2) would be applauded as the ultimate mode, because it has so many players. But where does that leave RO?

I know the above is just a silly example, but there is such a thing as the identity of a game, and we can't deny that RO2 out of the box wasn't all that great in continuing the RO identity (faster paced maps/spawns, zoom, progression, combined arms play left wanting, intrusive UI elements...), at least it wasn't for a good chunk of the RO1 player base. This was evident form the large number of RO1 players who rejected RO2. They didn't leave because of the buggy launch, IMO. (the bugs were not that bad and fans could expect TWI would fix those eventually).

Given that loss of identity, I say it's normal that some old timers look up to Classic.

I'm curious to see what the Classic beta changes will bring.

 

[Jank]

Huh... Not that it's constructive, but I for one totally deny that RO2 out of the box wasn't all that great in continuing the RO identity...

A lack of the things you mention aren't what constitute the RO identity to me, I guess. And of course it did come out of the box with combined arms... it was several months before people started turning off tanks.

RO2 doesn't really feel any faster-paced to me, other than the Sl spawns I guess, so we don't always have to run as far when we spawn. The zoom feature makes sense to me, progression adds variety without skewing gameplay...

I guess I'm not sensitive enough to be a good critic.

 

[Proud_God]

Huh... Not that it's constructive, but I for one totally deny that RO2 out of the box wasn't all that great in continuing the RO identity...

I'm just saying that in the eyes of a lot of RO1 players, it was the case. We sometimes forget how much of the old player base just plain left. You are of course free to not share that opinion

 

[LugNut]

we have servers running settings that would seem to make most happy, yet hardly no one plays on them.

Very true.

The whole Ranked/unranked debacle and the fact that it's difficult to see how a custom server is set up in the browser really kills the ability for non stock servers to attract people.

I guess the alternative point I was trying to make is that if they get whitelisted, and a decent number of Realism servers start running them, it'd convert them into something I and other Classic fans might play while still keeping Realism players happy.