Death falls
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IIRC the half animation, half ragdoll effects were said to behave differently depending on how one is wounded. Headshots causing instant death and ragdolling, SMG and other low-caliber kills causing short animations followed by a ragdoll effect, etc.
Even with some minor tweaks the stuff we've seen in videos would be very acceptable.
Even with some minor tweaks the stuff we've seen in videos would be very acceptable.
The recoil argument is probably the best I've ever heard about impact. Equal and opposite reaction and all that.
Those gameplay videos still seemed to show infantry that stop in place and fall over it seems though. If a man is in mid step, he's going to fall forward with some momentum, it seems one of their feet are glued to the ground when they are shot and they fall in place. Just is kinda jarring for me.
Bleh, look at me, I've become the worst type of player, rivet counting, the game is going to be HUGE and great! Looking forward to it, only 62 days left. D:
Those gameplay videos still seemed to show infantry that stop in place and fall over it seems though. If a man is in mid step, he's going to fall forward with some momentum, it seems one of their feet are glued to the ground when they are shot and they fall in place. Just is kinda jarring for me.
Bleh, look at me, I've become the worst type of player, rivet counting, the game is going to be HUGE and great! Looking forward to it, only 62 days left. D:
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Overrated, eh? I really don't think anyone wants to be down range of a quad .50....
We had some pics of what a single shot .50cal can do to a full grown doe at 600-700 yds when she is shot at the proper angle.....Suffice it to say she didn't need to be gutted....
The round proceeded on through a 6in diameter sappling and off into the woods.Now if your wearing body armor an AK....oh wait ..this is WWII...
Overrated, eh? I really don't think anyone wants to be down range of a quad .50....
We had some pics of what a single shot .50cal can do to a full grown doe at 600-700 yds when she is shot at the proper angle.....Suffice it to say she didn't need to be gutted....
Now if your wearing body armor an AK....oh wait ..this is WWII...
Yes you will die very fast when one of those things hit you, but that was not the point.
Even if it stopped in your body you will not fly backwards 3 meters and it will only rip arms of when most of the bone and muscle is hit in one blow (still would hang on to the body probably).
He just stated that the aesthatic destruction is most of the time way blown out of proportion. Not the actual killing potential.
Also to support the recoil argument.
You just have to check the energy of the bullet as stated in many tables.
2000 joule (as is equivalent to rifle bullets in my knowledge) is not really that great. And only a fraction of that is transferred to the target on impact (especially if it penetrates).
Thought for sure that's what this would be about.
I agree with the OP, and on a related note, in some video I saw I felt that the slow death animation needed a lot of work. You know how sometimes when you are critically wounded in RO2 you get a few seconds to stumble around and fire a few shots before dieing. Well, the animation where you character finally falls to the ground seemed very jerky, unrealistic and sudden. I hope it has been improved.
A little chart of comparing energy for those interested:
[URL]http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/energies.htm#knockdown[/URL]
Author has a little anecdote about getting shot in one of his page links.
[URL]http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/energies.htm#knockdown[/URL]
Author has a little anecdote about getting shot in one of his page links.
Doesn't take kinetic energy into account. This is gained during acceleration and not at the trigger pull.
Also, Mythbusters is garbage in general. It might have started off interesting but it soon descended into "Well, our poorly constructed contraption didn't work therefore: Myth Busted!!"
I like Arma 2's death animation for soldiers in full sprint; they continue forward momentum and face-plant pretty realistically.
I don't think you have to worry. Short of explosions, nothing in RO:Ost would toss your body about (if you got shot you just sorta slumped over) and I'd imagine (at least from having seen the videos) that that hasn't changed in RO2. The two videos somebody else posted earlier are good examples.
Thanks for the link
And why do you think the acceleration doesn't have an opposite reaction felt in recoil?
To each his own, but I watch the show objectively, I take what I need from it, once or twice an episode I normally rage about how they didn't do one thing or another, and I rarely agree with their conclusions. But its hard to disagree with them when they take a pig (bones and all) and start shooting it with bullets and nothing moves it.
We had some pics of what a single shot .50cal can do to a full grown doe at 600-700 yds when she is shot at the proper angle.....Suffice it to say she didn't need to be gutted....
You probably were shooting AMAX ammunition which undergoes total jacket/core seperation as passing through flesh. This creates rather large wound channels, to put it lightly.
Contrary to this .50 MG Ball and API ammunition does not fragment or seperate in personnel, and as I've seen a moose shot with .50 AMAX <video> and personnel hit with .50 Ball <images> I can tell you they don't correspond. It's about as different as 7.62mm M80 to .308 JSP's.
.50 MG Ball can still take off certain limbs at some angles, depending on the limb thickness and if you've punched through a barrier (causing yaw) or not.
I can post pics of .50 MG wound channels in ballistic gelatin if you'd like, I have 4 images: 1 AMAX (which most people have seen), various Mk211, and also an illustration of M2 Ball.
Also, regarding the videos of moose-hunting with .50 MG, they do move slightly when hit by the round, but they most definitely don't go flying. They of course do weigh alot more than people, but they'll also take more damage from any bullet that penetrates through them because they are much fatter than people - if a bullet penetrates through a 180mm wide person it only does so much work, whereas if it penetrates a 400mm wide moose (for example) then it's going to have done MORE work to that animal.
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When a person is shot, they do jerk, even when shot in the head or other vital areas that may cause near instant death.
Of course movies over do nearly everything, and some people actually think what happens in these movies is what actually happens.
I think a lot of people are aware movies aren't real, but just want more entertaining deaths. I'll admit, it makes my stomach churn when a body just drops like a bag of groceries.
Nah let's have death animations like in TF 2, nothing like 300lb Russian men flying 30 feet into the air
I have seen such things in RO with artillery
Armless/footless Cartwheeling Russians and Germans everywhere!
You'd be surprised of the amount of people who do really think movies are real, and I mean it. Never underestimate the stupidity of some people.
You'd be surprised of the amount of people who do really think movies are real, and I mean it. Never underestimate the stupidity of most people.
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