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And for the other blah blah blah
Dude you don't get it? If you join someone elses server and you see someone or all of them is exploiting WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU STAY THERE????????? They are NOT going to stop doing it ,because you just joined!!
no one with at least half brain going to stay on server like that or play with these ppl and think maybe because i joined i can force them to play my way
It is their way to have fun, it might be lame in our eyes,but its their way and if they paid for the server its their right ,so let them be lame and stop being like frikin komunist and stop forcing ppl to play the way you want on maps that you like ,
as i said and as most ppl know almost every map has some exploit and if all of them will go off of the whitelist we will have like 10 maps
IMPORTANT, if you don't know this yet!!!!!!!>>ppl like that will always find some exploit to just cheat no matter what you do or will get the hacks,
but what are they doing??? They cheating themselves! they not cheating you, you don't play against them in some versus game ,once again it is the minority!!!
JUST LEAVE THE SERVER AND JOIN SOME ELSE , it is simple as that!!!!!!!!!No one is holding a gun to force you to stay there or play with ppl like that,you will never have fun playing with them if you stay,but some other guy that is same lame as them might, i'm going to say it again YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUN PLAYING WITH THEM SO LEAVE THE SERVER!
there is plenty ,YES plenty of servers that are empty (even suicidal)so get your friends and join the empty server and have fun and play the way you want
You guys just screwing average Joe that has some perk lvl3 trying to lvl up and really likes some map and never was using any exploit on that map! And ppl are not leaving the game because of exploits on the map, they leave ,because they get pissed by taking their favorite maps of ,even they never used any exploit on it ,yes they still can play the map ,you can say, if server owner(admin) decide to leave it there,but all they see is ,
THEY CAN'T LEVEL UP ON THEIR FAVORITE MAP!!!!!! another reason that i have heard a lot is, they getting feeling like they being dictated how to play game they PAID for
so why even bother to play,so they leaving this game in hundreds and leaving you to play with those exploiters
idk if you talk to other ppl or only your KEPT friends,but i would recommend to talk to other ppl in different games,because i did and i also run few other servers (l4d,tf2, few friends runs few CZ,CSS, bf2, bfbc2 games that i also play when having time)on few different games i would say it is about few hundred ppl that i know and play on "daily" basis that did quit playing KF because of this whitelist nonsense ,literally
and if these ppl leaving with s**t taste in the mouth from all this, it might have very bad impact on next Tripwire releases and potential customers (buyers)
well if you are paid by other company to screw Tripwire or this game or us average joes you doing good job in all three
PLEASE READ IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE YOU START ARGUING
because i'm done arguing all i know is ,i came back after a month (long trip) and i see 50% of the players are gone and when i asked why, some because new game ,most because they were not happy with what is going on
well this is the only good solution i can see in this nonsense, that someone from you will fix the bad area on the map and keep it in the whitelist and not take it out because you don't like the map (there might be thousands they do)
and as to be sensitive subject to touch someones map ,well if they disappeared or are not active anymore (they probably won't even know)or if you not able to reach them, fix it and give them credit for the original version ,most moders that i know would be perfectly fine with that
and aslo i believe most of us will appreciate if the map is fixed in that particular part and not taken of
also for the other posts yes ,you take your time to find exploitable maps,you can even go to youtube etc and don't need to spend hours to find them , once again most ppl that still plays and i know ,are aware of the exploits and WE DON'T USE THEM ,BUT WE ARE THE ONE THAT ARE PUNISHED !!! NOT THE PPL THAT USE THE EXPLOITS ,BECAUSE THEY WILL JUST MOVE ON TO OTHER MAP!!! DO U GET IT?? SO IF THE MAPPER CAN'T BE REACHED ONCE AGAIN WE ARE THE ONES THAT LOOSE THE MAP NOT THE EXPLOITERS
And for the other blah blah blah
Dude you don't get it? If you join someone elses server and you see someone or all of them is exploiting WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU STAY THERE????????? They are NOT going to stop doing it ,because you just joined!!
no one with at least half brain going to stay on server like that or play with these ppl and think maybe because i joined i can force them to play my way
It is their way to have fun, it might be lame in our eyes,but its their way and if they paid for the server its their right ,so let them be lame and stop being like frikin komunist and stop forcing ppl to play the way you want on maps that you like ,
as i said and as most ppl know almost every map has some exploit and if all of them will go off of the whitelist we will have like 10 maps
IMPORTANT, if you don't know this yet!!!!!!!>>ppl like that will always find some exploit to just cheat no matter what you do or will get the hacks,
but what are they doing??? They cheating themselves! they not cheating you, you don't play against them in some versus game ,once again it is the minority!!!
JUST LEAVE THE SERVER AND JOIN SOME ELSE , it is simple as that!!!!!!!!!No one is holding a gun to force you to stay there or play with ppl like that,you will never have fun playing with them if you stay,but some other guy that is same lame as them might, i'm going to say it again YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUN PLAYING WITH THEM SO LEAVE THE SERVER!
there is plenty ,YES plenty of servers that are empty (even suicidal)so get your friends and join the empty server and have fun and play the way you want
You guys just screwing average Joe that has some perk lvl3 trying to lvl up and really likes some map and never was using any exploit on that map! And ppl are not leaving the game because of exploits on the map, they leave ,because they get pissed by taking their favorite maps of ,even they never used any exploit on it ,yes they still can play the map ,you can say, if server owner(admin) decide to leave it there,but all they see is ,
THEY CAN'T LEVEL UP ON THEIR FAVORITE MAP!!!!!! another reason that i have heard a lot is, they getting feeling like they being dictated how to play game they PAID for
so why even bother to play,so they leaving this game in hundreds and leaving you to play with those exploiters
idk if you talk to other ppl or only your KEPT friends,but i would recommend to talk to other ppl in different games,because i did and i also run few other servers (l4d,tf2, few friends runs few CZ,CSS, bf2, bfbc2 games that i also play when having time)on few different games i would say it is about few hundred ppl that i know and play on "daily" basis that did quit playing KF because of this whitelist nonsense ,literally
and if these ppl leaving with s**t taste in the mouth from all this, it might have very bad impact on next Tripwire releases and potential customers (buyers)
well if you are paid by other company to screw Tripwire or this game or us average joes you doing good job in all three
PLEASE READ IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE YOU START ARGUING
because i'm done arguing all i know is ,i came back after a month (long trip) and i see 50% of the players are gone and when i asked why, some because new game ,most because they were not happy with what is going on
well this is the only good solution i can see in this nonsense, that someone from you will fix the bad area on the map and keep it in the whitelist and not take it out because you don't like the map (there might be thousands they do)
and as to be sensitive subject to touch someones map ,well if they disappeared or are not active anymore (they probably won't even know)or if you not able to reach them, fix it and give them credit for the original version ,most moders that i know would be perfectly fine with that
and aslo i believe most of us will appreciate if the map is fixed in that particular part and not taken of
also for the other posts yes ,you take your time to find exploitable maps,you can even go to youtube etc and don't need to spend hours to find them , once again most ppl that still plays and i know ,are aware of the exploits and WE DON'T USE THEM ,BUT WE ARE THE ONE THAT ARE PUNISHED !!! NOT THE PPL THAT USE THE EXPLOITS ,BECAUSE THEY WILL JUST MOVE ON TO OTHER MAP!!! DO U GET IT?? SO IF THE MAPPER CAN'T BE REACHED ONCE AGAIN WE ARE THE ONES THAT LOOSE THE MAP NOT THE EXPLOITERS
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no we won't give up and yes we will get rid of them all
well good, i hate the kind of people who play those games. i don't want to play KF with them. most of us don't need perk leveling to have fun. i'm actually happy you told me that
@EVERYONE
SAY AYE IF YOU ARE GOING TO PURCHASE RO:HOS AND/OR THE NEXT KF DLC
AYE
you do realize that TWI are the ones de-whitelisting these maps, not us. we just report exploits. TWI doesn't have to agree with us. so we aren't doing anything against TWI.
my guess is you bought KF when the level up patch came out and there was a surge of players. in that case, of course the players will dwindle back to what the kf population used to be. but that doesn't mean they'll eventually dry up. I will always play KF, and I know i'm not the only one.
It isn't our job to fix these maps. we DO send our results to map makers so they can fix their maps and have them put back on the whitelist. If they choose not to, oh well.
it's not like you can't play the maps anymore. though if all you care about is leveling your perks then I can see how this would be a "punishment".
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Actually, I'm gonna call Bull**** on that. I have never received a notice that my map, The Rock, was de-listed or had an exploit found. Another member of the After-Hourz community pointed it out to me a few days ago. In all my map related posts I note that feedback needs to be given on the AHz.com forums. None ever was via post, or PM there OR here.
we weren't responsible for that map being de-whitelisted. other people besides us report exploits too.
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Regardless of which group finds what exploit, if "someone" is responsible for management of the white list, then that person(s) is responsible for reporting findings to mappers. Period. Now either TWI, your group, or both are at fault. Either way, a process needs to be in place to communicate any and all findings in a timely manner to mappers or the premise for the white list is pointless.
if you think such a system exists, please speak up and tell us what it is.
currently i do have a system up. it's called the KEPT. we report our findings to mappers. as for other exploit reports, good luck getting every random person to document and archive their exploit findings the way we do and then send them to the mappers and not just TWI for de-whitelisting.
frankly that's one of the reasons I put together this team, but it still isn't a perfect situation. oh well.
Well exactly, you wouldn't, which means that less servers are available to play on and with the small ratio of servers running quality custom maps to official ones, that's a big problem. The removal of exploits causes less of these idiotic exploiting games to arise, meaning that the average joe can play his favorite map the way it was meant to be.
We'd love to rectify the map ourselves, but there are problems:
We'd need to get the mapper's permission first, which can take a while and in some cases(Defense-B2?) the mapper is no longer available for contact.
Only two of the people in the team(me and Olivier) know how to operate the editor I believe, and we have our own projects to work on.
If a mapper had one of their maps changed by us, there would be a high chance that they would work from the original for a new version, sice they know it more intimately.
You mean fascist, and communist has a C.
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A partial solution might be to enable everything in Solo only, and disable exploits and cheating in listen/dedicated servers.
That way, if you want to cheat, you can do it in SP, but then you're not ruining other people's fun.
lol you are just too stupid to understand, are you.
I just explained step by step how it goes and all you learned was removing the red color from your posts which is now replaced by CAPITAL LETTERS.
If there is only that 1 server I can play on (because the other servers were running a bad map or they were full/empty, or high ping) so of course Im going to wait out on the last possible server so I can finally play the game I love. I had only 2 choices, either wait or quit the game. I didnt want to quit the game just because this noob was exploiting, so I waited.
Aaand also what mamoo said, in those cases where other servers are available.
They wont. Some percentage of them will, because mappers dont fix the exploits, but theres also new content coming up all the time and now that we are testing these newly submitted maps its easier for the map author to fix the maps before they make it to the whitelist.
And, like I said earlier, there are hundreds if not thousands of maps available, just because they arent in the whitelist doesnt mean you couldnt play on them.
Yes, theres always people who try to find the cheap way out. BUT, that doesnt mean we shouldnt make it harder for them.
I mean, with your logic, we could just allow aimbots and other hacks on public games, and allow all exploiting in the maps? And that wouldnt bother us? Explain me how an aimbotter killing ALL specimens alone wouldnt be a problem to the rest of the team? And what if you could just hack yourself to level 6 instantly, and we allowed it, what do you think these instant level 6 players will do? Thats right, quit the game after a week because there is "nothing to do" which is just wrong because this game is not about leveling up, its about killing zombies (or specimens to be honest but its basically the same idea).
Its ok if you cheat in private games, but dont do it publicly and ruin everyone elses game.
Actually, it is not, just like I explained above.
LOL yeah right, so you are saying maps like Concert Hall which look graphically bad, are designed bad, and are very small - these maps are popular ONLY because they are so awesome and not because they have exploits in them? I dont believe that for one second.
Just think about for Icebreaker for example. That maps is AMAZING, no-one can deny that, and yet its not even nearly as popular as Concert Hall, Doom2 or Defense. I wonder why?
But like I said, these maps will most likely return to the whitelist once someone fixes them, which makes it even harder to believe that you are angry because they were removed, and not because the exploits were removed so you cant level up the cheap way anymore.
And this talk about people leaving because maps are being de-whitelisted, thats pure nonsense, of course there could be a few nubbies here and there who are sad enough to quit the game because some exploitable map was removed, but thats just a handful of people, not hundreds like you make it sound like.
The reason KF is losing popularity is the same for all games, its getting older, and people are playing other, newer games. Its only the real fans who are staying in the game for months/years, they might be the minority, but they are also the people keeping the game alive. While some players are leaving, there are also new players joining in all the time.
Thats because it was removed BEFORE this new system was brought to use, and before KEPT was created.
But now you are free to fix your map and re-submit it, we will test it, and hopefully it will be whitelisted.
yes i actually read all of the last bunches of posts
one attitude i had to comment on though is the "do it in solo where it doesn't affect me" mindset. i like to think of it like this.
you're studying to become a lawyer. you're lazy and cheat your way through school and somehow pass the bar exam. 5 years down the road, you represent me in a trial. because you don't have a clue what you're doing, as the result of not actually studying/learning in law school, you make a crappy defense, the jury is not impressed, i get wrongly found guilty of a crime i didn't commit, and i go to jail because of your irresponsible actions. eventually what you did affected somebody besides yourself. sadly, yes, it happens in video game land too.
so, my opinion: zero tolerance for cheap leveling through buggy maps and exploitable mutators. find the problems and fix them as best you can.
one attitude i had to comment on though is the "do it in solo where it doesn't affect me" mindset. i like to think of it like this.
you're studying to become a lawyer. you're lazy and cheat your way through school and somehow pass the bar exam. 5 years down the road, you represent me in a trial. because you don't have a clue what you're doing, as the result of not actually studying/learning in law school, you make a crappy defense, the jury is not impressed, i get wrongly found guilty of a crime i didn't commit, and i go to jail because of your irresponsible actions. eventually what you did affected somebody besides yourself. sadly, yes, it happens in video game land too.
so, my opinion: zero tolerance for cheap leveling through buggy maps and exploitable mutators. find the problems and fix them as best you can.
omfg! yes i'm the stupid one, because i stayed on the server that had exploiter and thought because i joined,that he will stop and that i'm the one that don't want to join empty server
again yes i'm the dumb one because i'm the one that going to stay and wait 30 minutes till someone else decides to finish the zeds ,instead of leaving the server and check the other servers that are available if they haven't changed the map
well not my fault that you are cheap and can't rent the server
oh yea sorry you have one that has password, than why don't you open it to public? You rather go to some other server and wait 30 minutes
and yea i forgot i'm the stupid one
and as i said earlier 90% of them have exploits and funny part is that THOSE THEY COME WITH THE GAME HAVE THEM TOO! (farm,west london,manor,offices,waterworks....) don't you think the official maps should be fixed first,how lame is it to want mapper that spending his own time for free to make a map to have it perfect if the guy that got paid for the job didn't make the map perfect and have exactly same or even worst exploits
why they are not being fixed and have same old exploits for months hmm let me guess who gives a F... those are official and we can't bash them ,we rather bash someone elses hard work
and yes if you mean that "you can play them" to me ,i can upload them to the servers and play them,but most players that don't own server have no admin, with low level perks they will never download map like that to play in solo and if they see that map on the server they can't level on ,they just leave and they end up on different server with those grinders ,grinding on office or icebreaker
i'm all for it .Start making great maps that are exploits free
NO i have never said that! that is your translation and word twisting that you did! i said there always will be cheater or hacker and there is nothing you can do about it,because no matter what you do there always will be some
LMAO , you explain me, how YOU, personally you, going to stop aimboter at any game as regular player (no admin rights,anything ,just regular player)
if you really believe, that you can stop ppl from cheating, hacking as a regular player,than you should visit some mental institute,because it is same as to believe in worlds peace
lol and you really should do some reading ,there already are hacks that gives you lv6 perks well almost instantly
thats the difference,
I do have respect for others ppl hard work ,even if the map is bad you will never hear me bashing someone elses hard work,because those guys are the ones that have spent the time for community for free and tried to make something valuable and fun,those are the guys that deserves the respect
What map have you made,that is so excellent??!! All you do, is bashing someone elses hours and hours of hard work and want me to be thankfull for that?because you spend your time playing and looking for exploits,wow that is really, really hard ,don't you want me even pay you for that, i bet you would
and guess what i like small maps like Concert Hall,DeathPit,Ganjafarm, arcadeHardcore-fin etc. because they are hectic and fast and i don't have to run 80 floors up or 800 miles to kill the last specimen because he doesn't want to die
As i stated above i'm not going to bash someone elses hours of work ,for me all maps are amazing,
but lol those maps that you named have less exploits all together than icebreaker just two quick screens that i just made of two most known exploits on icebreaker [links removed...DO NOT POST EXPLOITS! - [TW]Xienen] as you see nothing can touch me and there is 2 more like that and 2 semi that u can get hit only by husk,but lots of ppl don't know about
actually i never got what exploit had defence? (haven't really played that map much) all i could see here was that it was removed but no particular reason
there was no exploits removed it was ENTIRE MAP removed, map that thousands ppl liked and MOST HAVE NOT USED ANY exploit
who is going to redo them or remove the (flags) exploits, i wish i could, but i have no idea how to make a map,thats also why i do respect all the maps and not just bashing them down
just wow ,what a ignorance and waste of my time, please read the first post again and do actually read it, it might have too many words there but try to get them.if you really don't see what makes me angry
oh well i'll make it easy for you
* it is removing custom maps,because of "exploits" when the official maps have same exploits and are very well publicly known and haven't been fixed for months ,seriously what a ignorance is that
* it is the ppl stopping to play KF, because of this and that they are leaving angry ,not with smile on the face saying oh well the game got old lets move on and i will happily come back when TWI releases new game
you also stated ,that you are happy that ppl that plays other games are leaving KF,because you don't like ppl that plays those other games, just wow wtf is that suppose to mean ? you are happy that there is way less ppl to play with? that some very talented mappers ,modders left
and please stop the other s**t, i have played over 600 hours and have all perks lv6 and none was cheated,so i don't need to read that BS that i have bought the game at xmass and don't know anything and that i need to cheat to level up ,because you don't know s**t about me
well moderator if u can just delete the other post that i made PLEASE and leave the first one ,since noone really read it anyway
thank you
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beerhead, it sounds like what you want is for mappers to fix the exploits we find in their maps and release the new version before de-whitelisting the old version.
I can tell you right now, this is not entirely possible. As some mappers can't be contacted to notify about these exploits because they're nowhere to be found.
it's not like you can take JUST the exploits out of a map instead of taking the whole thing off the whitelist.
a mapper can't just alter his map and have everyone playing it automatically receive the updated version. you have to name a new version of every map something different to avoid version mismatch errors.
so every time there are changes made to a whitelisted map, the old version must be taken off and the newer version must be re-evaluated for whitelisting.
the only way we could get new versions of maps whitelisted before the old versions were taken down is to notify each mapper of the exploits ahead of time before notifying TWI of the exploits.
so it's a choice between contacting each mapper individually and hoping they respond, or de-whitelisting their map which will inevitably make them come here asking why it was removed. I for one am not going to put in the time neccesary to notify mappers of their exploits BEFORE the map gets taken off the whitelist and actually expect him/her to get a newer version whitelisted before the next update.
also, we aren't the only ones sending exploits to TWI. any KF player can pm TWI with exploits and have maps removed exactly like we do. so how are you going to get EVERYONE who submits exploits to TWI to send their findings to mappers ahead of time?
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to note, the person who posted the screens of the stairs exploit on defence wasn't a member of KEPT. and concerthall's exploits were literally posted months ago, but it took some extra encouraging to get that one taken care of.
but yes, mappers should be notified their map is being taken off, informed of what was wrong and how they need to fix it before it's added back on the list. i just think that should be done after the map is removed because then that will show whether or not the mapper will actually be willing to go back and make the changes. perhaps,if the mapper doesnt respond, say let TW or an approved mapper edit the map so it could be put back on.
but yes, mappers should be notified their map is being taken off, informed of what was wrong and how they need to fix it before it's added back on the list. i just think that should be done after the map is removed because then that will show whether or not the mapper will actually be willing to go back and make the changes. perhaps,if the mapper doesnt respond, say let TW or an approved mapper edit the map so it could be put back on.
to note, the person who posted the screens of the stairs exploit on defence wasn't a member of KEPT. and concerthall's exploits were literally posted months ago, but it took some extra encouraging to get that one taken care of.
but yes, mappers should be notified their map is being taken off, informed of what was wrong and how they need to fix it before it's added back on the list. i just think that should be done after the map is removed because then that will show whether or not the mapper will actually be willing to go back and make the changes. perhaps,if the mapper doesnt respond, say let TW or an approved mapper edit the map so it could be put back on.
If TWI is removing a popular map because of exploits and that the author is no where to be found, i don't mind to fix it. Most of exploits are about not putting a blocking volume. Adding a blocking volume take less than 15 seconds to do. But if a major part of the map has to be removed or anything don't count on me to do it, because it could bother the author.
I think TWI should PM every author on the whitelist and tell them to be prepared to make a new version of their map, because almost every map we've tested so far (22 if i'm correct) have either too much small exploits or a major exploit where you are literally invincible (or even both... i have a good exemple in my head at this moment...KEPT members willl probably know which one
). For the official maps, i think it is more harder to fix the exploits, because most of the time, those exploits are static meshes (for example, West-London is almsot only static meshes: church, tunnels, buildings... You cannot modify a static mesh like a simple brush. You need to make a new one. Or modify it if you still have the brush version of it. But generally you delete it.
With what we've just said, i don't think anyone could still be mad at us. We are doing our best to report exploits and Mamoo and i could even try to fix those exploits. And if you are still mad against us, you should be angry about the authors that don't test their own maps properly.
Rofl. You cant think of anything else, just stick with one argument and use it for everything.
I cant open it for public if the server is used for KEPT testing sessions. Try to think before you type something.
LOL again just repeating the same things, you prolly didnt even read what I just said.
We are fully aware of the exploits in the core maps and we are working on getting rid of them aswell.
Hows that got to do with anything I just said?
No, I have absolutely no need for YOU to be thankful. You can rage all you want about us bashing maps etc but you know we are doing the right thing. You know what I think? I think you are just a dirty cheater/exploiter and are mad because we are making the job harder for you
Its against the forum rules to post exploits in public...
I have no issue with you contacting me about work that needs doing in a map I've made. In fact it helps out.
But I'm sure that alot of the mappers out there have moved on and so will never come back to do needed work on the faulty maps.
I have no issues with someone else fixing exploits in maps that I have made although I would rather be notified and fix them myself.
Good work K.E.P.T.
But I'm sure that alot of the mappers out there have moved on and so will never come back to do needed work on the faulty maps.
I have no issues with someone else fixing exploits in maps that I have made although I would rather be notified and fix them myself.
Good work K.E.P.T.
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