..... also on threads like yours where you try to tell us this game is perfect.
If I thought the game was perfect, I wouldn't be making threads adding suggestions and ideas to make it better, would I? This thread simply wouldn't exist.
If people like you can enjoy RO 2 in it's current state, I accept that, it's your opinion. Continue playing and enjoy.
For many, this is not the case and those tend to mostly be .... guys that have played RO for years, many even played the game in it's early mod stages. And those loyal fans and customers seem, majorly, to dislike certain game aspects.
Yes, I am aware of this and I've played RO since the mod days as well.... this thread was created with those people in mind, where I was trying to tie in a possibility as to why RO2 just doesn't seem to fit past RO's that they have played, specifically how there are few vehicles in the game for players to use, thus less available tactics and easier ability for players to run and gun.
I was suggesting that if vehicles such as HT's and other transports were added into the game and into some of the current maps, I suspect that the tactics and combat in RO2 would start to shift more towards what players are familiar with in past RO's.
Everything I posted in my original post of this thread were based on my own observations of what's different between RO2 and past RO's...... I said I enjoy RO2 as it currently is, but I also acknowledged that there are issues that still need to be resolved and I was suggesting possibilities to resolve some of these issues.
But rather than someone coming in and saying
"no, adding vehicles into the game won't make much of a difference in gameplay or interest" or
"yes, I think this could be a step in the right direction" I instead got crap flung my way about writing long posts and further trashing RO2 in general as if nothing can be done, the game just sucks and that's it.
Those are also the guys that have stated their problems, concerns, dislikes and so on numerous times, mostly without any responses from TWI.
Well I never get any responses from Tripwrie from any of my posts.... does that mean I should start stomping my feet and spamming the same crap into every thread I come across?
I told you this before: If you don't understand what's the problem for many of us complaining, check the forum posts between December 2010 and July 2011, where many of the features were finally addressed by TWI and the community started worrying.
I know full well what many of the problems these people have with the game, which range from performance issues, low player count, gameplay physics, differences between past RO's and RO2, level progression..... the list goes on and on.
And as I have been telling many people.... try reading exactly what I type and try not to imagine hidden messages in what I am trying to say.
The reason why most of my posts are so long, is because too many people either mis-quote me thinking I am saying something completely different or if I write something short and sweet, people start to assume I mean something I never said and thus..... I continue having to make even longer posts trying to clarify my position when I shouldn't have to.
As I already said, I acknowledge these issues of these people in the community.... this thread was to suggest a possible fix (among many other fixes) that could get RO2 back along the lines of past RO's, in the way these players want.
I even made this thread:
Some Middle Ground Changes:
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=71491
In order to help get many of the main things these people want in the game, in the game, without causing more issues with those who want the game to remain they way it is.
Yet even when I do this, it's either ignored or I'm just told I'm being a Tripwire/RO2 Fanboy who sees nothing wrong with the game and it's perfect...... even when I'm clearly trying to acknowledge these problems and suggestion possible solutions.
So I'm not sure what else you expect from me..... but after a while, one just no longer can give a crap and cater to these people when they simply don't listen and just assume what your position is without reading what you write.
The features that are now the ones leading to all this unhappiness and to put it in your words "trolling and b*tching" were presented one after another.
No, what I consider trolling and b*tching is when someone comes into a specific thread talking about a specific topic or idea and posting the same complaints, the same issues and the same crap over and over again, while completely ignoring the original thread topic..... which is hi-jacking and when it happens in just about every thread I enter and when it's almost the same wording each time, that's trolling..... or at the very least, spamming.
If someone at least addressed the original topic first and then went on with their usual rant..... or ranted on right away but at least tried to tie it into the actual thread topic, I wouldn't have room to complain.
But anytime I see a thread talking about ideas or suggestions on what to add or change to make the game better, the topic is suddenly hi-jacked and shift off into another direction by the same 2-3 usual suspects..... who don't even make an attempt to address the actual topic of debate.
So if they're not even going to address the real topic of the thread, why should I try and address their issues they keep bringing up?
For me personally, if I didn't know RO 2's predecessor and the forums full of the features and improvements RO 2 would have brought compared to it's predecessor, I would have probably said "RO2 is a great game".
However, being able to compare RO 2 to RO-mod and keeping in mind the statements and promises from TWI, I feel that RO 2 is not just a let down, but I even go so far to say that I have been mislead. While I am in no way saying that TWI pulled this off to get the extra cash to dump the game and its community afterwards, like a dude in another thread wants to make us believe that RAMM said in the beta that they even did not create the realism mode, I feel that they tried the big shot, no matter the costs.
And this has broken trust and an outrage of people and in my eyes this is absolutely their right. If you are on a crusade to convince people that this game is the must-have-best-game-of-all-times, then fine. Continue doing so. But accept if people dislike it.
I'm not on a crusade to get everybody to go buy this game or to state that it's the best game of all time.... the original post I made in this thread alone should be proof of this, as I was trying to shed light on existing problems in RO2, not just in gameplay but in community and player counts, and I was trying to suggest a possible quick-fix in the time being to resolve some of the problems I pointed out in my original post.
I don't go out and tell people to buy or not buy a game.... what others do or play is no concern of mine and I couldn't care less.
But for those interested in improving and moving RO2 into the right direction, I will post ideas, thoughts and suggestions towards fixing them, and I try my best to make those suggestions meet many of the demands or thoughts of both sides of the argument in question.
Obviously I don't hit the mark all the time.
I think 95% of the people on this forum are old and mature enough to make a distinction between a guy saying "This game is da fail, f*** TWI" and someone that either likes/dislikes the game, but coming up with an explanation that doesn't sound like straight from the ghetto.
And if any Moderator reads this, please consider to take this dump up-/downvoting off these forums. Since it was initiated, the "climate" of this forum has become pretty cold, as if anybody needs to see green/red dots behind a name to judge if that person is posting sth valid or not. I think we are all old enough to judge by ourselves...
True, I wouldn't care either way if the rep system was removed..... and like I said, if people have issues with the game or complaints.... by all means, express yourself like everybody else, but rather than just stomping your feet and ranting on about what you don't like or hate, at least provide solutions to the problem and keep them relative to the thread in question.
The more one spams the same thing over and over again, from thread to thread, the less their issues are taken seriously.
My issue was never with those who don't like RO2 as it currently is.... my issue is towards people who continually hi-jack thread topics to continue to talk about the exact same things over and over again like what we're doing right now.
There's piles of threads already where people are talking about these things, why does it need to be continually dragged into other topics?
I was actually interested in getting some serious responses towards my original post..... I was actually interested in a number of other thread topics, which were all hi-jack to talk about this same stuff.
Frankly, even when someone tried to make a completely different/new topic to discuss, it always ends up being a rage-war over the same things over and over and over again.
Does anybody even remember what the topic was in this thread anymore?
Since every single thread these days are hi-jacked so the same people can argue and complain about the same things over and over again, what's the point in being here anymore? The same handfull of members are constantly derailing every thread in order to keep necro-complaining about their same issues..... the only logical reason I can think of is because they think if they dominate and spam every thread so that the exact same topic is brought back over and over again, maybe it'll make a difference.
The only difference it's making is it's making more and more members leave these forums because it's a waste of time.
