Countdown - Close but so far away

[supremo]

Plz implement a fully working First person POV system.

 

[Maizel]

While I agree that for the sake of realism the defenders would be given time to set up, gameplay wise it's a bad idea.

Take the Fallen map for example. The defenders are set up in a building with 40 yards (Meters) of open space for the attackers to cross. If the Defenders had time to set up, they would simply annihilate the opposition before they closed on them.

There's a reason why common military knowledge dictates 3 attackers per every 1 defender at the VERY least to assault a position. And while with reinforcement waves this is evened out a little, it is far from enough. The way it is now really gives each side just enough time.

I understand your reasoning for such a feature, but I don't think it would work for the attackers. Already the attacking team on Fallen hardly ever gets passed the first objective.

I wouldn;t mind this. They would have to make the attackers have more reinforcements, but that's okay with me.

Would make the whole mode feel more like an actual assault and defend rather than a slightly altered annihilation type game.

 

[Josef Nader]

I wouldn;t mind this. They would have to make the attackers have more reinforcements, but that's okay with me.

Would make the whole mode feel more like an actual assault and defend rather than a slightly altered annihilation type game.

Right. At the moment it just feels like counterstrike, where everyone is racing to get to a good position before they get picked off by the other side. If the defense had a few moments to dig in before the attack, it would slow down the action quite a bit and feel (at least, in my opinion) a lot more like an attack/defense situation.

 

[heady89]

I mentioned this somewhere in a thread, but i agree that the defenders need time to setup. Linked to that issue is the placement of spawns, like previously said on Fallen Fighters you can almost get shot in spawn through the building which is bad.

A more careful placement of the spawn zones is needed.

 

[Josef Nader]

Yeah, I tried to play a machine gunner, yet I was struck almost instantly through the window of the spawn as I ran for the stairs.

I just don't think that should happen in an attack-defense gamemode.

 

[schill]

I would like see the defenders have more time to set up but a lot less people to defend. In a 64 player match, the defenders might only get 22 and attackers 42.

 

[Josef Nader]

I would like see the defenders have more time to set up but a lot less people to defend. In a 64 player match, the defenders might only get 22 and attackers 42.

That's the idea behind multiple attacker respawn waves.

It starts out 32v32, but depending on the timing of the respawn waves it (should) end up being something like 32v64 or 32v128, all told.

 

[Mysion]

I too agree with the idea to give the defenders a few seconds to set up and to give the attackers more waves. Since this might increase the time it take to capture the objective maybe increase the default time limit as well.

 

[a E z.]

Maybe extend that GUI indicator to people outside of the capzone, that way people who are outside of it know that the situation is dire "get to the capzone"?

Great idea! If it only showed up when you pressed 'T', that would be even better. With a verbal warning when it has been captured half way would be great too.

I actually quite like how it is now, it's like 2 sides storming each other, and the attacking side has the dis-advantage anyway.

 

[Leto Atreides]

Right. At the moment it just feels like counterstrike, where everyone is racing to get to a good position before they get picked off by the other side. If the defense had a few moments to dig in before the attack, it would slow down the action quite a bit and feel (at least, in my opinion) a lot more like an attack/defense situation.

I played a couple of rounds just now and this is exactly what I thought; I'm playing CounterStrike in WWII uniforms.

I imagine people will play this game mode in order to quickly level up their weapon ranks when the full game is out. Once you know the map, you are guaranteed a few kills seconds after spawning.

 

[Reddog]

It definitely needs some fine tuning.

- Defense should have some sort of head start, right now they get into position literally a second before the attackers are on them. Hell on FallenFighters as an attacker you can set up an MG, spray through the front doors and net kills if you're quick. It feels really gamey in this aspect.

- Coupled with the first point the attackers need more spawn waves.

- The spawning is HORRIBLE, it just breaks the play up too much. It doesn't feel like a battle instead it feels like a disconnected set of skirmishes. Maybe when an objective falls the dead defenders can respawn whilst the still alive ones have to retreat. The alive attackers will be stopped by a spawn zone barrier for a time while the dead attackers respawn and then they go. It's not ideal but right now the spawning is just jarring!

 

[drswank]

The spawning is HORRIBLE, it just breaks the play up too much. It doesn't feel like a battle instead it feels like a disconnected set of skirmishes. Maybe when an objective falls the dead defenders can respawn whilst the still alive ones have to retreat. The alive attackers will be stopped by a spawn zone barrier for a time while the dead attackers respawn and then they go. It's not ideal but right now the spawning is just jarring!

For the record, I agree with everything you said, but I think they chose their way of respawning because they ran out of time, and this way is easier. It's very janky and "moddy" to me. TWI: You aren't modders anymore!

 

[drswank]

Plz implement a fully working First person POV system.

have they not done that here?

 

[LogisticEarth]

The spawning is HORRIBLE, it just breaks the play up too much. It doesn't feel like a battle instead it feels like a disconnected set of skirmishes. Maybe when an objective falls the dead defenders can respawn whilst the still alive ones have to retreat. The alive attackers will be stopped by a spawn zone barrier for a time while the dead attackers respawn and then they go. It's not ideal but right now the spawning is just jarring!

Respawning for defense is almost necceary, otherwise you could have up to 1/3 of their team stuck up at the last objective. While interesting, I think it kind of defeats the point of the map. However, I think that the attacking team's survivors should remain, to allow that "flow of battle" that you're looking for. Furthermore, the defenders could respawn instantly, while the dead attackers have to wait maybe 15 seconds or so, giving the defenders somewhat of a head start.

So a game would look like this:

0:00 = Defenders spawn
0:15 = Attackers spawn
[Point Captured]
Cap+0:00 = All defenders respawn, surviving attackers remain
Cap+0:15 = Dead attackers from first cap respawn.

Something like that, if it's feasible. So the attackers have to wait for the rest of their team to catch up, rather than just rolling into the next zone.

 

[svgamer]

So a game would look like this:

0:00 = Defenders spawn
0:15 = Attackers spawn
[Point Captured]
Cap+0:00 = All defenders respawn, surviving attackers remain
Cap+0:15 = Dead attackers from first cap respawn.

Something like that, if it's feasible. So the attackers have to wait for the rest of their team to catch up, rather than just rolling into the next zone.

^I really like this idea.

I really dislike CD as it plays now. I assume the goal is to have both teams utilize solid tactics and teamwork. As it stands there is no time for either team to use solid tactics or teamwork in the vast majority of rounds I have played. All you really get is people with the most map knowledge slaughtering everyone else before they get a chance to get their bearings or implement any kind of tactics or teamwork.

 

[Reddog]

Respawning for defense is almost necceary, otherwise you could have up to 1/3 of their team stuck up at the last objective. While interesting, I think it kind of defeats the point of the map. However, I think that the attacking team's survivors should remain, to allow that "flow of battle" that you're looking for. Furthermore, the defenders could respawn instantly, while the dead attackers have to wait maybe 15 seconds or so, giving the defenders somewhat of a head start.

So a game would look like this:

0:00 = Defenders spawn
0:15 = Attackers spawn
[Point Captured]
Cap+0:00 = All defenders respawn, surviving attackers remain
Cap+0:15 = Dead attackers from first cap respawn.

Something like that, if it's feasible. So the attackers have to wait for the rest of their team to catch up, rather than just rolling into the next zone.

I like this idea, it's considerably more fleshed out than my on the spot rant

 

[Frostedflames]

There needs to be more of a push to attack most of the attackers camp and pick off the defenders, from what i've experienced cd-fallenfighters is a camp fest everyone is afraid to move a lot of time attackers will lose with players alive and not in the cap zone.

 

[Snuffeldjuret]

I love countdown. Of course it would be nice with some improvements, but I am not sure I would go for the OPs. Played a few hours of internal 8on8 countdown today, and it truly is nothing like playing it in pub =).

 

[StardogChampion]

This mode is awful as it stands. We all spawn as attackers, a few of my teammates run out and get killed instantly, I hide for a few seconds, then make a move. I run forward again then the round ends. What?