I'm not talking about the soldiers that's my point. Soviet as a nation was agressor just like German was.
[Game] Company of Heroes 2
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I'm not talking about the soldiers that's my point. Soviet as a nation was agressor just like German was.
I'm just saying I can't probably play the campaign if it was anything like the teaser was. Just doesn't feel right to play with an evil that fought the evil and can't really say which of them was worse, but is alright because it defeated the evil. Neither of them should be a subject for glorifying or speak about suffering, while commiting mass murders and rapes througout the war.
Why not make it like RO2? From soldiers view, surviving and so on, their(soldiers, civilians)/humanity tragedy. This teaser felt like I was watching some Russian propaganda. Talking about liberation and their(allied western front) sacrificies and then right into Soviet Union, a country that supressed half of the Europe, killed more people than nazi germany and was agressor for the whole eastern Europe...
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So you think think Soviet Union was a good thing and what they did was because they had to do it? They commit those crimes and all the nations they assaulted and conquered was because they were nazi nations? They needed those lands to protect Russia? Stalin was a master mind who thought maybe through helping Hitler they will eventually destroy the Hitler Germany? Was German demanding Rurssia signing the ribben trob agreement and why do the Eastern Europe nations feel the need for Nato and disgust for Russia if it was all flowers and love?
Edit. Heres a good comment from Gamespot:
"I'm all for a new WWII RTS, but I'm not so keen on the forces we'll be playing with. Yes the Russians suffered the most losses in the war, but along their road to victory they left a long trail of brutal atrocities. Mass POW and civilian killings, and literally millions of rapes. I'm not saying the Germans didn't commit any atrocities, far from it actually, but the Russians can be seen as just as cruel, especially to the civilian populations they were "liberating"."
Why not make it like RO2? From soldiers view, surviving and so on, their(soldiers, civilians)/humanity tragedy. This teaser felt like I was watching some Russian propaganda. Talking about liberation and their(allied western front) sacrificies and then right into Soviet Union, a country that supressed half of the Europe, killed more people than nazi germany and was agressor for the whole eastern Europe...
.So you think think Soviet Union was a good thing and what they did was because they had to do it? They commit those crimes and all the nations they assaulted and conquered was because they were nazi nations? They needed those lands to protect Russia? Stalin was a master mind who thought maybe through helping Hitler they will eventually destroy the Hitler Germany? Was German demanding Rurssia signing the ribben trob agreement and why do the Eastern Europe nations feel the need for Nato and disgust for Russia if it was all flowers and love?
Edit. Heres a good comment from Gamespot:
"I'm all for a new WWII RTS, but I'm not so keen on the forces we'll be playing with. Yes the Russians suffered the most losses in the war, but along their road to victory they left a long trail of brutal atrocities. Mass POW and civilian killings, and literally millions of rapes. I'm not saying the Germans didn't commit any atrocities, far from it actually, but the Russians can be seen as just as cruel, especially to the civilian populations they were "liberating"."
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Who CARES, man? The history section is over there. You made your point, the trailer pissed you off. We got it. Enough with the political history. This won't lead anywhere nice where people go "oh, good point, thanks for helping me overcome my ignorance. I feel much better now, thanks to you"...
I know, I saw the scans, but at least they didn't mention it in the teaser. I seriously expected them to say that it was common practice in the Red Army and that millions died because of it.
I know I shouldn't but... it's an interesting read after all!
http://chronicle.com/article/The-European-Atrocity-You/132123/
Just to emphasize how stupid it is to portrait the western allies as the good guys while "people find it hard to sympathize with soviets". Like the campaign for the first game was not as bad in dramatization as this new one seems to be (but from a different prospective this time).
http://chronicle.com/article/The-European-Atrocity-You/132123/
Just to emphasize how stupid it is to portrait the western allies as the good guys while "people find it hard to sympathize with soviets". Like the campaign for the first game was not as bad in dramatization as this new one seems to be (but from a different prospective this time).
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Come now Murphy, you know i'm better than that. Must I cite all my pop culture jokes before I can have my fun?
You are right however, i will not escalate the argument. There is a history section for a reason.
But now that ive seen the trailer. I have to say im very wary, for all the sensationalism in it there is very little actual information. Especially about the SP, which is what I mainly play. I guess Ill have to wait until the next one.
You are right however, i will not escalate the argument. There is a history section for a reason.
But now that ive seen the trailer. I have to say im very wary, for all the sensationalism in it there is very little actual information. Especially about the SP, which is what I mainly play. I guess Ill have to wait until the next one.
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/company-of-heroes-2/1225519p1.html
Bumpity bump. News on how the weather systems in CoH 2 will work. The winter, historically, was probably deadliest foe either side faced during the war. So in CoH 2 they're envisioning it as almost a 3rd party on the battlefield, dubbed "General Winter."
It'll go like this. Troops which are not defending from the inside of a building, inside a troop carrier or next to camp fires suffer exposure. They'll have a little temp gauge above the squad and if it reaches zero, they're a squad of popsicles.
Water on the battlefield will freeze, allowing troops and vehicles to cross over. But frozen water can also be targeted and destroyed, so a tank sitting on a frozen river bed can be sunk by shooting the ice out from underneath it.
The intensity of the cold effects will vary as blizzards move on and off the battlefield at random. When a blizzard is on, visibility is reduced, water re-freezes faster and troops die to exposure much quicker. Without buildings to shelter your troops, you have to rely on engineers to make campfires to keep your troops warm. These can also be targeted and destroyed. The weather will also impact off-field abilities, like being unable to fly a reconnaissance plane or do a strafing run when a blizzard is in effect.
To me this will take CoH's already awesome terrain-based strategems to a new level, while at the same time doubling down on the immersive qualities that made the game so replayable, even while just doing comp stomps. The challenge of holding a front line against the enemy just got a lot more interesting.
Bumpity bump. News on how the weather systems in CoH 2 will work. The winter, historically, was probably deadliest foe either side faced during the war. So in CoH 2 they're envisioning it as almost a 3rd party on the battlefield, dubbed "General Winter."
It'll go like this. Troops which are not defending from the inside of a building, inside a troop carrier or next to camp fires suffer exposure. They'll have a little temp gauge above the squad and if it reaches zero, they're a squad of popsicles.
Water on the battlefield will freeze, allowing troops and vehicles to cross over. But frozen water can also be targeted and destroyed, so a tank sitting on a frozen river bed can be sunk by shooting the ice out from underneath it.
The intensity of the cold effects will vary as blizzards move on and off the battlefield at random. When a blizzard is on, visibility is reduced, water re-freezes faster and troops die to exposure much quicker. Without buildings to shelter your troops, you have to rely on engineers to make campfires to keep your troops warm. These can also be targeted and destroyed. The weather will also impact off-field abilities, like being unable to fly a reconnaissance plane or do a strafing run when a blizzard is in effect.
To me this will take CoH's already awesome terrain-based strategems to a new level, while at the same time doubling down on the immersive qualities that made the game so replayable, even while just doing comp stomps. The challenge of holding a front line against the enemy just got a lot more interesting.
I wish the game looked a little more advanced graphically. Not that its bad by any means, but it looks almost identical to the original with some sharper assets and new post process effects. There should be more of an advance considering how long it's been.
I don't know if it's been said anywhere, but I'm starting to become curious if this is a reworked Essence Engine 2.5 or something (didn't really stay with what Relic was doing after DoW II) or if they've reverted in some ways back to the Essence Engine 1.5.
Because yeah, it's more than eerily similar to look and tone to CoH. I think I'm actually ok with that though, if the game has the fidelity of effects that CoH had.
Because yeah, it's more than eerily similar to look and tone to CoH. I think I'm actually ok with that though, if the game has the fidelity of effects that CoH had.
Hmmm, I can see what you guys mean. Looks extremely similar to CoH in terms of visuals. Maybe something is lost in these screens since they are pretty small of course. I too was hoping for a little more visually.
TBH I am also not liking the sound of that weather thing at all. I am all for having moving weather effects that affect your unit stats (LOS, movement speed, accuracy, range, that sort of thing), but the way you describe it, it sounds like they are just shoehorning in a random "kill all your units unless they are next to an arbitrary beacon" mechanic. Especially since they are buildable/destroyable. Seems like they decided to go for the weather effects thing but went way overboard with its effects on units, rendering it into an arcadey gimmick IMHO. I will of course wait until I get my hands on a demo or beta or something before I make a final judgement on that.
I like the freezing water thing though, that's cool.
TBH I am also not liking the sound of that weather thing at all. I am all for having moving weather effects that affect your unit stats (LOS, movement speed, accuracy, range, that sort of thing), but the way you describe it, it sounds like they are just shoehorning in a random "kill all your units unless they are next to an arbitrary beacon" mechanic. Especially since they are buildable/destroyable. Seems like they decided to go for the weather effects thing but went way overboard with its effects on units, rendering it into an arcadey gimmick IMHO. I will of course wait until I get my hands on a demo or beta or something before I make a final judgement on that.
I like the freezing water thing though, that's cool.
I can understand why you feel that way. To me though, CoH was full of gimmicks to begin with. And in some ways this is just dialing up the importance of terrain and structures. Like when you'd commandeer a forward barracks and build your army around it, then the Germans would nuke it and you'd be forced to deploy troops from farther back, and maybe change your line of defense.
So I really see this as just an extension of those kinds of things. But yeah, in a game like CoH where you're already managing 100 things in real time, trying to baby sit your troops might get frustrating.
So I really see this as just an extension of those kinds of things. But yeah, in a game like CoH where you're already managing 100 things in real time, trying to baby sit your troops might get frustrating.
Well destroying enemy base and its barracks is totally alright. It's a risk you are willing to take while placing them so close to border. It's also the fastest way to get your troops if you know how to use them.
Only thing I don't like about CoH is the randomness of it all. Sometimes tanks might miss like crazy(same with bazookas) and some games end up with cursing to yourself because of rangers failed to miss 5 times in a row to a non-moving flakpanzer or something.
This new weather effect is more about that random stuff, might be cool for few games but eventually pulls you off from this game. It might be such a thing when devs are trying too much to create something different, while audiance only wants better graphics and more refined balance.
I don't think CoH will ever appeal to StarCraft crowd with their micro-management, but they may lose their CoH fanbase because of making it too much work to play and macroing your troops. I really, really hate to play as brits, because Relic made them so over simple complext that it's soooo boring.....
Placing your supply bases or fires with engineers seems a way to there.
While I realize that some steps need to be taken to ensure balance, I don't see how a squad would be much warmer inside an open topped Hanomag or Universal Carrier or truck. Even if the 251 or Opel/Zis had the canvas pulled on, I doubt it'd do much to keep people inside of it warm, but oh well... I gues we'll just have to wait and see, like with the rest of the game. Also, I have no idea about this, but can ice really support vehicles weighing 25+ tons in the first place?
Good point, and I think that would depend on the ice
(thickness, etc, a good thick sheet of ice can hold quite a bit of weight if it is "gradually" applied, just don't shock it and it will hold)
Alaskan ice can support fully loaded semis with heavy earth moving equipment on the back during the winter so....maybe?
The soldiers play grabass in the Hanomag\UC and thus warms each other up by not only physical activities, but by radiating their own manly aryan (or Russian for the uncool killes) heat generated by the said activity.
Doesn't your NDA prohibit you from disclosing such vital gameplay info at such an early point in the development?