[Game] Company of Heroes 2
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I'm no USSR fan but the campaign is god awful I can see why the Russians are flipping out, I mean this game is a joke for something that advertises as being "historically accurate" and then switches to a cutscene of NKVD officers forcing unarmed soldiers to run against machine guns or the many cutcenes that follow of the soviets mowing down hordes of there own men 
Such a waste of potential the multiplayer is even worse than CoH1 with terrible balancing and hardware optimization which makes any battle larger than 2v2 unplayable through lag (Ive got a decent rig and struggle to get decent FPS on med settings so the game looks even worse than the first game) not to mention the map rotation which is the exact same few maps from the beta.
In short avoid this game at all costs.
Such a waste of potential the multiplayer is even worse than CoH1 with terrible balancing and hardware optimization which makes any battle larger than 2v2 unplayable through lag (Ive got a decent rig and struggle to get decent FPS on med settings so the game looks even worse than the first game) not to mention the map rotation which is the exact same few maps from the beta.
In short avoid this game at all costs.
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/company-of-heroes-2
Anyone posted this here yet? take a look at the user score.
Anyone posted this here yet? take a look at the user score.
Something tells me you guys haven't played the game. Im top 500 in 1v1 atm (moving up) and i can say the balance is actually really good, and am having more fun than i ever had playing coh1. To each their own.
They are crying not because the balance is broken - it's not the soviet hero who saves the world from ze evil germanz.
RPS has a pretty articulate reader base. However, the site has a very indie mentality.....and by that I mean, they can be fairly elitist about a lot of stuff. Both the staff and the readers tend to rip into AAA releases and fawn over low-tech indie offerings. Not necessarily without good reason, but it's one reason I don't really engage the comments there.
That said, insults and general comment wars are infrequent at worst. What's more shocking is I think the comments are largely self-moderated. I see spammers leaving links in there and no one seems to bother to clean them up.
Anyways, CoH2. I'm getting totally mixed signals about performance from people. I'd like to buy the game but frankly it's in the sale category for me at this point. I thought there'd be a firesale after SEGA acquired Relic but I guess not, that price on Steam hasn't moved an inch since release.
Sound like my kind of people.
I actually just got into CoH to some extent. Some friends of mine noticed that I had CoH on my Steam library (THQ bundle from a while back). I had seen them go in-and-out of the game for a while now so you can imagine my surprise to find that despite having about 10 games' experience (CoH:O mostly) I was handily smiting them.
Turns out only ever playing Achelous with other scrubs doesn't breed good gameplay habits.
The game is in free weekend and I decided to check the forums in steam. Man.. its the same **** like here ->
Whats wrong with these people? Why its so important for them which side some random guy picked .. I never witnessed the opposite though - "why somebody joined the sovies?"
Whats wrong with these people? Why its so important for them which side some random guy picked .. I never witnessed the opposite though - "why somebody joined the sovies?"
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I never witnessed the opposite though - "why somebody joined the sovies?"
That's because, statistically, this scenario has never happened.
Whats wrong with these people? Why its so important for them which side some random guy picked .. I never witnessed the opposite though - "why somebody joined the sovies?"
There is a keyword there that you ignored and changes the whole meaning of the sentence.
Most people play Germans, so he wants to know the reasons why that side is more popular.
Why do you have to interpret it as some kind of leftist conspiracy thing? Persecutory delusions?
Well it probably has something to do with the image most movies (and games who copied that) created. German soldiers in WW2 are often protrayed as educated, smart and stylish. This is mixed with the usual tropes for bad guys. Most popular movies wont even bother showing the russians at all. If they do they are often also walking stereotypes fixing their tanks by hitting it with a hammer while being drunk on vodka and communism.
After playing this, I can fully appreciate why Russians are annoyed at Relic's handling of the story.
Most of it comes across as COMRADE VODKA STALINA, COMRADE COMMANDANT RUSSIAN GUYOVICH COMMANDS YOU TO SACRIFICE YOUR TROOPS IN THE NAME OF THE MOTHERLAND, FOR BETTER REPELLING THE FASCIST SCUM.
Even setting the obligatory patriotic angle in a war of self-defense aside, there's a distinct lack of nuance to everything. Relic's handling of Americans in CoH felt realistic and tone-appropriate. **** was bad but there wasn't some guy on a loud speaking spewing bull**** in your ear constantly, it was about the soldiers. This feels almost like a parody of the commonly accepted Western stereotypes of Russia. Although I do like the troop chatter, that at least sounds semi-genuine.
But the cutscenes and their presentation are absolute ****. You can safely skip them and not lose an iota of context. The basic pattern is: commanding officer says something stereotypically propagandist, the protagonist angrily rejects it, then you flashback to the past where the protagonist basically does exactly what he was told. Even the part where you deliberately disobey orders to rescue the protagonist ends non-sensically. Ok, so you abandoned your post to rescue your commanding officer. You also met the Germans head on and wiped out a ridiculously large armored assault. Killing Germans not 6 blocks away from your command post AND rescuing your commanding officer is grounds for the whole outfit to be executed for dereliction of duty? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. To someone who is interested in portraying the "evil soviet union" above all else. Christ, there was a enough misery to go around in that conflict, there was little to no need to relentlessly harp on the unnecessary brutality of upper command. It's like the writing was designed to make Russians feel bad about winning. That the thing the narrative considered most important was not their eventual victory, but how many bodies it took to make it possible.
I also like how Order 227, which activates whenever you deploy conscripts, has zero impact on gameplay in the campaign unless you are terrible at RTS's. It's just there so the game can constantly remind you how much your side could care less whether your troops live or die. Top notch writing and design, that.
I think the real difference is, CoH was inspired by Saving Private Ryan. The brotherhood, the sense of duty, is what they based the story on. CoH 2's inspiration is mostly based on stereotypes, with a (after the fact) bleeding heart protagonist so it doesn't look like a total smear campaign.
I'm imaging what COH would have been like with this kind of treatment. Imagine if every soldier/officer sounded like Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane from Dukes of Hazzard, and his lines mostly consisted of "We ginna git them Nazis for America, ker ker ker."
Most of it comes across as COMRADE VODKA STALINA, COMRADE COMMANDANT RUSSIAN GUYOVICH COMMANDS YOU TO SACRIFICE YOUR TROOPS IN THE NAME OF THE MOTHERLAND, FOR BETTER REPELLING THE FASCIST SCUM.
Even setting the obligatory patriotic angle in a war of self-defense aside, there's a distinct lack of nuance to everything. Relic's handling of Americans in CoH felt realistic and tone-appropriate. **** was bad but there wasn't some guy on a loud speaking spewing bull**** in your ear constantly, it was about the soldiers. This feels almost like a parody of the commonly accepted Western stereotypes of Russia. Although I do like the troop chatter, that at least sounds semi-genuine.
But the cutscenes and their presentation are absolute ****. You can safely skip them and not lose an iota of context. The basic pattern is: commanding officer says something stereotypically propagandist, the protagonist angrily rejects it, then you flashback to the past where the protagonist basically does exactly what he was told. Even the part where you deliberately disobey orders to rescue the protagonist ends non-sensically. Ok, so you abandoned your post to rescue your commanding officer. You also met the Germans head on and wiped out a ridiculously large armored assault. Killing Germans not 6 blocks away from your command post AND rescuing your commanding officer is grounds for the whole outfit to be executed for dereliction of duty? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. To someone who is interested in portraying the "evil soviet union" above all else. Christ, there was a enough misery to go around in that conflict, there was little to no need to relentlessly harp on the unnecessary brutality of upper command. It's like the writing was designed to make Russians feel bad about winning. That the thing the narrative considered most important was not their eventual victory, but how many bodies it took to make it possible.
I also like how Order 227, which activates whenever you deploy conscripts, has zero impact on gameplay in the campaign unless you are terrible at RTS's. It's just there so the game can constantly remind you how much your side could care less whether your troops live or die. Top notch writing and design, that.
I think the real difference is, CoH was inspired by Saving Private Ryan. The brotherhood, the sense of duty, is what they based the story on. CoH 2's inspiration is mostly based on stereotypes, with a (after the fact) bleeding heart protagonist so it doesn't look like a total smear campaign.
I'm imaging what COH would have been like with this kind of treatment. Imagine if every soldier/officer sounded like Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane from Dukes of Hazzard, and his lines mostly consisted of "We ginna git them Nazis for America, ker ker ker."
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CoH was full of 'stereotypes' and 'murica!. The fact the left/communists are upset is hilarious. The communist officers were ruthless, and rightly so, since it was their lives on the line if they failed. This image of the 'glorious ussr' is nonsense, Relic did a good job getting across the illogical BS of it all and the cheap value put on life.
This game is all about multiplayer.
Singleplayer RTSs are sad sad things. Unless it's Tropico.
My only problem with this game is or was, haven't played for a while, the horrible input lag, which makes playing this game feel off. And the balance of the game at launch, and big fixes they have done after that(adding squad numbers, changing how MGs work, trying to fix the terrible T34 ect...).
Singleplayer RTSs are sad sad things. Unless it's Tropico.
My only problem with this game is or was, haven't played for a while, the horrible input lag, which makes playing this game feel off. And the balance of the game at launch, and big fixes they have done after that(adding squad numbers, changing how MGs work, trying to fix the terrible T34 ect...).