So, ALL you postes come down to this:
1.berserker dont need to worry about ammo.
In team play, if you run out of ammo, well, your teamate either suck or you just spam too much. I have NEVER run out of ammo as ANY perk unless more than 3 people die.
I'm putting you on ignore. Why? Because you absolutely refuse to read any of my posts yet you respond to them with absolutely inane responses. The point of the thread is that the zerker is OP.
So, yes. That is exactly what my reply was about. EXACTLY when the wave starts are every player has full ammo and all players stay alive. Then, all of a sudden, the players always run out of ammo.
Players die all of the time. This is something that I'll never understand. I die in the game. All of the time. Players in the games I'm in die all of the time. Yet somehow this never happens to anyone else. Everyone else can make headshots at 100 meters every time. Everyone else can solo 100+ specimens with a 300+ ping. Personally, I can't. Having a half second to a second delay between me firing a pistol and the round hitting a specimen throws me off. No one else though. Everyone else plays a 300+ ping better than I can play a 30 ping. Everyone else keeps their entire team alive for the whole game. I wish I was that good.
And if you think that the zerker is only OP because they "dont need to worry about ammo." then you haven't read my posts. Like you say you have.
Berserker will be really overpower in suituations like this.
There ya go.
That's the point. And that situation happens all of the time. The team wipes and the zerker kites the rest of the wave.
OR, that team suck really really bad to leave the last guy with 200+ zeds. And at this suituation, it DONT EVEN MATTER if berserker OP or not, because it dont make much difference if the berserker wins or not. Cos that team is gonna wipe again next wave.
And what? The zerker doesn't kite once more? Give out cash at the end of the wave? Carry weapons to the trader? Once again, the zerker is the only perk that can do that.
The point is that the zerker is the only perk that does this. The only perk that can do this. The perk that always survives. You don't think it is the least bit unusual that the commando doesn't occasionally survive and kite till the end of the wave? Or the flamer? Or support? That is is always the zerker.
Want a perfect example? The situation I spoke of earlier in this thread where the three husks spawned at the start of the wave. If I had zerker speed I could have simply ran down the the tunnel which would have physically prevented 2 husks from shooting at me. I could run in the closest lane and then cut in front of the car to block the third husk from shooting me. But since I was support, I didn't have the speed. And since I was support, once my armor was gone, my health dropped immediately and of course I slowed down. The other problems was that at least one siren spawned on the hill and a group of clots dropped from the top of the tunnel to the road. Not sure if I took any damage from the siren or not, but those clots were the death of me. I had to kill those clots before I got to the tunnel. If one of them had grabbed me then everything I was running from would have caught me and I would have been stationary for the husk. So while the husks were out of my range with the aa12, rather than dodging and running, I had to make sure that I killed those clots before I got to the tunnel. Now if I had the zerker, it was have been a simple run from trouble no matter which direction I wanted to go, but the tunnel would have been best.
And the thing is, UNLESS you can have a easy fix for the problem and dont hurt overall gameplay, you just SHOULD NOT balance those rare cases.
Rare cases to you maybe. Not to everyone else. It happens all of the time. According to you, those cases aren't rare anyway because you and others can easily kite 100+ specimens with the other perks.
So again, UNLESS you can give out some fix on that matter while dont hurting overall gameplay for most people, may be consider stop the poinless arguements?
The fix is easy. The easiest way to reduce the speed of the zerker and medic to normal speeds. Still want to give them quickness? (Which is understandable) Give them a speed boost for 5 seconds then off for 20 or 30 seconds. Anything to prevent them from using their speed to get out of any situation and shaping the fight as they want it.
The other easy fix is some type of cool down period that prevents them from attacking multiple times a second every single second from the first spawn till patty dies. But with their current speed, the second "fix" can still be circumvented.
No one here oppose the fact that berserkers is OP WHEN:
1. they are on their own
2. zed number is high enough to make any other perk run out of ammo.
Actually many people do. Many people sy the zerker is never OP in any situation. But it is the zerker's OP that allows them to run off on their own. It is their OP that allows them to survive when the team gets wiped. It is their OP that allows them to run out of a bad situation where the team gets wiped.
As players dies, the remaining team uses more and more ammo. And that can't be ignored.
So no, the zerker isn't OP compared to a fully loaded support specialist and they both fighting clots.
No, the zerker isn't OP compared to a fully loaded commando and they both are fighting stalkers.
No, the zerker isn't OP compared to a fully loaded firebug and they both are fighting crawlers.
However, go to the middle of the wave when their ammo is dropping and their armor proper is gone. Zerker still has fully perked weapons and permanent armor.
Have some players die and make the other perks pick up the kills. Grenades are used. Ammo is used. Pauses due to reloads are impactful because fewer players are firing while a player reloads. Specimens get closer and closer because the overall firepower has dropped. Lethality drops.
Except for the zerker.
Picking the
one point at the start of the wave when all perks are fully loaded and fully armored to compare perks is the worst point to make a comparison because comparison then is useless.
Laters.
