CoD4 Demo

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OneShot

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RO offered something diffrent that made me stuck with it. I dont see COD4 or any upcomming title doing this to me. ( ok till someone is MAD enough to do a ww2 "realism" mod for COD4 )

Already in the works, a new version of AWE (AWE4 a WWII mod) for CoD4 is being created by the DEV Team at RGN. CoD4 has just been released and last time I checked nearly 2,500 servers (windows based only, linux not released yet!) are up and running already and most are full!!!! Try logging on one, this FPS is gonna be something imho, despite IW recent history since CoD2! I'm not much of a "modern warfare - little red dot- run and gun" player myself, but a quality WWII mod based on CoD4, this will get me going;)
 
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DraKon2k

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God those achievments are soooo motivating, can't stop playing D:

What's your favourite gun so far(in MP)? Mine is the M16+Acog/red dot sight atm. I got all M16 upgrades and am now doing the MP5 upgrades.
 

BlackLabel

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God those achievments are soooo motivating, can't stop playing D:

What's your favourite gun so far(in MP)? Mine is the M16+Acog/red dot sight atm. I got all M16 upgrades and am now doing the MP5 upgrades.
I like the "Bubble Gun". Bit much recoil and you have to kill the clowns, but hey, you get one.
Also the "cant wait for the AlienMindbenders-ray****ing
 
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Oleg

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Am I the only guy here who loved COD2 but is underwhelmed by COD4??? :confused:

I feel as if something is seriously wrong with me...

I remember when RO was about to be released, this forum looked like lair of rabid COD2 haters. I honestly loved COD2, and felt so alone posting about it... :(

Now, what, 1,5 years later, everybody seems to LOVE COD4 - I expected to love it too, but really I am underwhelmed...

I uninstalled COD2 long ago, so I can't do a direct comparison. However, I think:

- Sounds are MUCH worse than COD2. I think COD4 sounds are pathetic. Really really bad.

- Movement is worse. It's too jumpy and bobb-y while the avatar moves slowly even while sprinting. It does not feel realistic at all. Don't get me wrong, I support the slow sprinting speed (kinda) but not the unrealistic jumping in place. It's as if the player is mutilated kangaroo making jumps 10 centimeters forward, 30 centimeters up.

- As someone already said field of view appears to be screwed as if the whole view is thru the magnifying glass. Really feels weird. Probably part of the consolization process.

- Game runs OK on my PC, but I expected better. MOHA, while ****ty as game, runs surprisingly good, and looks better than this.

Other than this mission design appears to be as great as ever (big lover of COD single player design here).

As I said it's hard for me to say whether all this is just my illusion or wheher those things are really changed from COD2, which I loved.

Am I the only guy here who loved COD2 but is underwhelmed by COD4??? :confused:
 

Murphy

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Nah, I liked CoD2 too.
The singleplayer was almost unplayable for me though. Its so stupid, but they didn't even include the slightest trace of irony. ITs all done so it seems to be uber-realistic, with black-and-white footage as videos, (extremely cheesy) diary entries on the loading screen, etc. and then the game follows as a utterly stupid action romp with one dramatic moment after the other while almost none of them seem even closely realistic. Also, I HATE it when enemies just respawn in "realistic" games. I'm fine with stuff like that in a game like, say, Serious Sam, or Darkwatch (excellent game btw. Very short, but awesome while it lasts!:D), but in a game that tries to force you to think its realistic I feel screwed by such nonsense. Whenever I played a mission in the singleplayer campaign I thought "do they think we are retards? What's that supposed to be?". On the other hand, I loved the singleplayer campaign in "Return to Castle Wolfenstein"! Its of course not more realistic than CoD2 - that's not what coutns for me - but at least it doesn't want to make you think it was. Its honest nonsense and I'm fine with that.
CoD4 is just the same as CoD2 in that regard. In a way its even worse, because in the ww2 setting one is used to slaughter nazis left and right, but the modern setting was almost always used for somewhat more realistic games.


BUT: The multiplayer in CoD2 was top-notch. It looked awesome and runs very well, and, most importantly, it also plays very well. With all their realism features, like the crosshair dissapearing while you move, or the weapons doing relatively much damage, iron sights and what-not - the game is still faster than most other shooters in a similar genre. Its almost a Quake 3 with ww2 skins. :)
Its a shame that no one seems to talk online, because everyone is busy fragging people and IF someone talks he's a racist. But you can hardly blame the game for that. On Lans, where you play with friends, the game is great though. Really great.
However CoD4 took something out of the game:
Fundamentally different weapons.
In CoD2 you had the choice between a Kar98k, a Garand, a ppsh and say, a Bren. All of these are completely different from one another.
In CoD4 you have the choice between one smg and another and the only difference is how much damage they do. Of course that's oversimplifying things for the sake of argumentation, but you get my point. CoD4 is less complex and wall penetration doesn't save it in my opinion, because that feature doesn't even work that well in an unrealistic game in my opinion.

So, in short:
I think the singleplayer is bad in both, but for multiplaying purposes, I prefer CoD2 over CoD4.
 

Oleg

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Nah, I liked CoD2 too.
Also, I HATE it when enemies just respawn in "realistic" games. I'm fine with stuff like that in a game like, say, Serious Sam, or Darkwatch (excellent game btw. Very short, but awesome while it lasts!), but in a game that tries to force you to think its realistic I feel screwed by such nonsense.

Enemies respawn for the same reason your buddies respawn (and you can respawn too if you die :D)

It's done to represent the feeling that the war is a BIG business and that you, the player, is just one small cog in this big, ugly, man killing machine that is war. In my opinion in COD games, for a single player "shooting gallery" FPS this is done bloody brilliantly. Especially for WW2 setting where battles were MASSIVE affairs.

Enemies and friendlies respawn, you can literally sit and watch them kill each other of hours. But in order for action to move on you have to make the push yourself! It really works to recreate the feeling "I am the small hero in this BIG machine". Other shooters make you one man army against bazillions of (respawning or non respawning) enemies. In COD you're never a one man army (neither are the enemies). If they wouldn't respawn, and with all your buddies on your side, COD would not be challenge at all, or it would be like Ghost Recon and that's definitely not the point here.

As for MP, I agree.
 

KrazyKraut

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Duh, the difference between M4, M16, AK47 and even G3 aren't as fundamental as those between an StG44 and a Mosin... that's just the way it is. Besides that the differences were definetly noticable in the demo.
 

Jimmy

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I'll be picking this one up sooner or later, if only for the multiplayer. But from what I've heard the singleplayer is actually rather good (but very short). I'm just hoping the multiplayer will be a little more like the original CoD's rather than CoD2's. I used to love the original online, which was pretty big at the time. But Call of Duty 2 was a real kick in the teeth in that department. I tolerated it for a few weeks but I couldn't stand it really.

Has anyone tried the built-in realism mod for CoD4 yet? Is it actually any good?
 

DraKon2k

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Am I the only one who finds sniping to be quite hard? Because basically you have to stop breathing for 5sec before you can get off a clear shot(mid-long range). I still find it entertaining though, already got the M40A3 Award.
 

Murphy

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Duh, the difference between M4, M16, AK47 and even G3 aren't as fundamental as those between an StG44 and a Mosin... that's just the way it is. Besides that the differences were definetly noticable in the demo.
That's what I said.:confused:
I never said its the game's fault. I just said, that I prefer CoD2 over CoD4 because of this (I also like the setting better). CoD4 of course isn't unplayable because of that, because the gamemechanics are still solid and the weapons are different enough so the choice isn't completely superficial, but since I have CoD2 and I like it better, that's what I'm playing if I'm playing one of them.

@Oleg: I know why it was done and I understand the purpose, but I don't like it. Its so pointless. You can't really argue about this with realism either imo. Your points are valid in a way, but in a way they are not.
Why would the respawning stop as soon as you push forward? If every army had unlimited supplies of man-power and weaponry, why don't they keep sending troops? "Oh noes: Private Vassili has advanced to the next ring of barrels!" It makes no sense.

It could even keep its gameplay for me, if it was at least admitting that its an unrealistic, arcadey action ride, I could live with that. Its not that I don't like action games. I just don't like to be treated like a dumber person than I am and CoD2 seems to do just that.
If you like the gameplay and if you can manage to get immersed by the game its admittedly awesome. It looks absolutely beautiful, has a rather creative level design and great refined weaponry (though I would prefer it if the enemies or friendlies would die from a headshot and not just get their helmet plucked off. The damage values in multiplayer are much better).
Unfortunately, I am spoiled by a few other games that make much more sense than CoD2 so I feel constantly taken for a ride.

As an example for the opposite:
FarCry never claims to be realistic and throws false drama down your throat because combat doesn't feel threatening enough. Its what it is. It has you running around in a Hawaii-shirt and later on there are even mutants. Its great. The gameplay works, the technicalities are close to perfect and the game is just fun.
 

TrentA

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(this is not directed at any 1 person, it's just my feelings)

I liked call of duty, I liked call of duty 2. I stopped playing call of duty 2 online when I found this game, but I'll still fire up the single player every now and then. And I now see how unrealistic cod2 was (infinite reloading a 91/30, and crosshairs) but I have no hard feelings. I love realistic games, (I was a rainbow six nut until they started becoming horrible and linear) but I can accept it that not everyone has the vision that Trip wire havs in making a realistic game. I played the demo for cod4 and although it keeps crashing to the desktop, I really enjoy it and will be purchasing the game at some point. The only other option for a realistic single player modern combat game is ARMA which I also fully enjoy (the sight zoom annoys me a bit, but I can handle it) but I think cod4 is a happy medium between a realistic shooter and a keep you on the edge of your seat movie.

Just to restate, I am and have been for a looooong time a realism nut, I constantly criticize movies and games for unrealisticness but I don't let it rob me of having a good time, I really enjoy the Halo series, cod series (never played 3), metal gear solid series (yes even mgs2) starwars battlefront games, (am I making people mad yet?) and many others. But Red Orchestra Ostfront is where my heart is and I appreciate the time the devs took in making it a realistic game.


go ahead flame me, I'll be playing dead rising if anyone needs me:p
 
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illinifan

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just played this on my friends 360 and OMG ITS THE SAME GAMEPLAY AS INS MOD for me except crosshairs and radar and objectives

guns have same feel, but cod4 guns are weaker, same annoying ironsights, same movement feel
 

fOgGy

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COD4 has the MP44 in MP, the only WWII weapon in a modern warefare setting.
 

Rak

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Can anyone give me info about the "Hardcore Multiplayer Mode" of COD4? I'm hearing good things about it(much better than INS for example) and I'll think about getting COD4 if it's realistic enough.
 

DraKon2k

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Can anyone give me info about the "Hardcore Multiplayer Mode" of COD4? I'm hearing good things about it(much better than INS for example) and I'll think about getting COD4 if it's realistic enough.
I think I played it once but I can barely remember. What I remember is that I had no crosshair and I think no hud(except for the rank-o-meter) and I died very soon. I then left the server because it had FF on, atm I prefer servers with FF off.