Classic vs Realism

[r5cya]

Well, please enlighten me then by listing a bunch of the features that makes it more realistic than Classic.

nope. sorry, but you're going to have to experience the difference yourself, when you get your computer. it would be a waste of time for me to try and explain how they feel when you play them. almost as much of a waste, as trying to tell people which is better, without playing them at all.

 

[TrOOper]

nope. Sorry, but you're going to have to experience the difference yourself, when you get your computer. It would be a waste of time for me to try and explain how they feel when you play them. Almost as much of a waste, as trying to tell people which is better, without playing them at all.

+1

 

[Cyper]

nope. sorry, but you're going to have to experience the difference yourself, when you get your computer. it would be a waste of time for me to try and explain how they feel when you play them. almost as much of a waste, as trying to tell people which is better, without playing them at all.

I am not talking of what mode is better than the other. I am talking about what's more realistic. What's more fun is totally irrelevant in this quesion. Its very easy. You just have to list some of the things that makes it more realistic than Classic. Because if you know why Realism mode is more realistic than Classic then you should be able to explain why, otherwise it simply proves that you cannot explain - and if you cannot explain, well, then you don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

 

[Mike_Nomad]

nope. sorry, but you're going to have to experience the difference yourself, when you get your computer. it would be a waste of time for me to try and explain how they feel when you play them. almost as much of a waste, as trying to tell people which is better, without playing them at all.

Agreed......

 

[r5cya]

I am not talking of what mode is better than the other. I am talking about what's more realistic. What's more fun is totally irrelevant in this quesion. Its very easy. You just have to list some of the things that makes it more realistic than Classic. Because if you know why Realism mode is more realistic than Classic then you should be able to explain why, otherwise it simply proves that you cannot explain - and if you cannot explain, well, then you don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

not really.
i am talking about someone who seems to be very opinionated about something he hasn't yet played. that to me, makes no sense whatsoever.
did i ever ask you to point out why you thought one mode was more realistic than another. no.
did i ever ask you which mode was more fun, then ask you to point out why? no.
so don't waste your time trying to make my point invalid. i don't think you are even aware of the point i'm making. i'll try and explain it again.
the point is, you have not played ro2 since the goty update.
you have no experience with either classic or realism after the update.
you should not be trying to influence anyone to your way of thinking because of the last two sentences.
simple.
if you want to keep talking like you know how the game plays, without playing it, fine. people will keep calling you out on it though. i don't need some guy coming here and not realizing you know not of what you speak, thinking you do. i want them to be informed about ro2. not mis-informed.

 

[Cyper]

You're right.

I will come back when I've played GOTY. Its going to be very interesting. Especially to experience realism mode without with the most obvious realism breaker: Unlocks and perks and of course a slower, more realistic portrayed gameplay that doesn't involve people sprinting around hipshooting others or in general playing the game like a standard shooter.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

You're right.

I will come back when I've played GOTY. Its going to be very interesting. Especially to experience realism mode without with the most obvious realism breaker: Unlocks and perks and of course a slower, more realistic portrayed gameplay that doesn't involve people sprinting around hipshooting others or in general playing the game like a standard shooter.

You really should play it first and you may be entirely right in your assesment.

BUT until you do, people are going to view your opinions as next to irrelevant compared to those players who have actually played all the modes.

 

[r5cya]

You're right.

I will come back when I've played GOTY. Its going to be very interesting. Especially to experience realism mode without with the most obvious realism breaker: Unlocks and perks and of course a slower, more realistic portrayed gameplay that doesn't involve people sprinting around hipshooting others or in general playing the game like a standard shooter.

oh my god. is that what's got your panties in a twist all this time? you don't want realism mode called realism, because of the unlocks? why didn't you just say so? ok. lets re-name "realism" mode to "funner than classic" mode? will that set your mind at ease?
better yet, lets just call them modes #1, #2 and #3 and end the bickering over what mode is better and what's more realistic and whatnot?

 

[Cyper]

oh my god. is that what's got your panties in a twist all this time? you don't want realism mode called realism, because of the unlocks? why didn't you just say so? ok. lets re-name "realism" mode to "funner than classic" mode? will that set your mind at ease?
better yet, lets just call them modes #1, #2 and #3 and end the bickering over what mode is better and what's more realistic and whatnot?

No, it's of course not entirely down to that. A lot of the added features in RO2 reflects the majority of peoples expectations of a FPS these days. Inaccessibility and realism equals fun for me. From that statement you could strip away a lot more than the unlocks. Then realism could of course have a limit in ro. Its not a simulator in the end of the day.

Classic is more realistic than Realism Mode in many ways. Even though my point is invalid because I havent played the game - despite the obvious realism breakers such as unlocks, perks, a load of HUD elements, historically inaccurate loadouts, sprinting hipshooters, spawn on squadleader etcetc and your way of not realizing that this doesn't go in line with 'realism', I will post my take on all this later. I will most likely make a long list. Its going to be interesting to see how you possible could defend that from a realism perspective. What you then consider as more fun is irrelevant in this question.

 

[Mike_Nomad]

Cyper, have you played more than 19 hrs TOTAL yet?? Have you even played the GoY edition at all? Why all the superfluous baiting for controversy? What is your point beside trying to annoy users who are enjoying RO2 by making waves?

 

[Cyper]

Please Mike, there is no need to derail this thread further with personal insults and other nonsense. This thread is about discussing which mode that plays more realistic and why, and if you don't like that, simply don't read through this thread and do not make any posts here - especially not when you want to go offtopic with personal related stuff.

 

[Vapid]

'Even though my point is invalid because I havent played the game'

Legend. :rofl:

 

[Mike_Nomad]

Please Mike, there is no need to derail this thread further with personal insults and other nonsense. This thread is about discussing which mode that plays more realistic and why, and if you don't like that, simply don't read through this thread and do not make any posts here - especially not when you want to go offtopic with personal related stuff.

OK, but at the same time Cyper, I realize your likes and dislikes as you have repeatedly made them known in numerous threads. With over 1100 hours in RO2, I believe I can opine with a reasonable level of experience.

Classic is excellent and now truly acclaimed for its realistic play. However, it must stand on its own merit as must the other game modes. Right now, Realism is seemingly the most popular while Action is running a distant third.

Most folks regard Realism as a favorite because they ENJOY playing it... Which I admit I do too. I abhor the sluggish movement in Classic and the cross-hairs in Action...... but I understand and accept the fact that folks playing those modes enjoy them and I see no point in trying to force changes upon them to suit my likes and dislikes.

The bottom line is:

TWI has brought forward something for everyone and choices for all. Truly, a stroke of genius.
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[Ducky]

The question in this poll is:
Which plays more realistic?
Classic or Realism?

This thread should not be a discussion on which mode is better or more popular.

This post is not addressed to one single person, but to all.

 

[Vapid]

I think you're drawing an artificial distinction between 'better' and 'more realistic' because in a game such as this (and with a community such as this) the two would tend to be considered one and the same.

 

[r5cya]

The question in this poll is:
Which plays more realistic?
Classic or Realism?

This thread should not be a discussion on which mode is better or more popular.

This post is not addressed to one single person, but to all.

thanks for putting the thread back on track.
the way i see it, as far as which is more realistic, no one is right and no one is wrong. it's all about a persons opinion of what's realistic and what's not. some people think no zoom and slower running speeds/less stamina is more realistic. just as many people think it's not. we all have our own opinions on what makes a game seem real. we all have our own opinions on what makes a game fun. i see no reason to try and change someone's mind about their opinons on gameplay. i think that's a waste of time.

how this thread made it past two pages is beyond me.
oh, yeah. it's because of all the arguments that ensue, when you try and tell someone else what their opinion should be.

 

[Cyper]

I have never understood how perks, unlocks, lockdown timer, spawn on SL, ability do erratic, fast speed strafing maneuvers, or the lack of learning curve for aiming & fire a weapon, historically inaccurate loadouts, peripheral indicators, killcam makes Realism more realistic than Classic. Because if you take all this and remove it, well, then you basically got classic mode.

The reason why people seems not to be able to verbally explain this - I believe - is quite simple: They enjoy Realism mode more than classic. If I were to ask on BF3 forums whenever arma is more realistic than BF3 most people would most likely vote BF3. This is not true though.I believe people get blinded by how much they enjoy something. I think its the same thing with Classic Mode.

With that say, Classic Mode is by no means fulfilled. When it comes to realism you could go a lot more further. You could
keep the Realism Mode running speed and add a system to simulate momentum (this would make movements less twitchy) and make stamina affected on surface and slope. This would make it impossible to sprint up for stairs. Slopes would affect the stamina. Rubble on the streets would affect the speed. The momentum would remove dead stops and people strafing with their guns blazing. You could keep the sway and recoil in Realism Mode and add a dead-and float zone and aiming suddenly doesn't feel like moving a cursor and there is suddenly a earning curve to it aswell as with real weapons. This would replace the extreme sway and recoil to a much more realistic option.

So really, this sort of stuff is not in the game. Stamina and speed is not affected by slope, surface, or anything, which means that players can sprint when they shouldn't be able to. Therefore I think its more realistic to force the player to move slower at all times. So Classic is definitely not some sort of Optimal Mode in that sense. It use handicaps as an option for more advanced stuff.

Regarding perks, unlocks, HUD, indicators, other aids that is simply there for accessibility - there is no point to discuss it. It does not offer anything from a realism perspective. Its simply things that the majority of people expect from a modern FPS now days. Its not tied to realism.

 

[Max Damage]

Classic is better because in realism you run like saxton hale especially on lvl 50 and you can just get yourself out of pretty much any situation just sprinting leeroy jenkins style.

In classic you have to think before you sprint across the street.

 

[Pinball Jones]

Classic is better because in realism you run like saxton hale especially on lvl 50 and you can just get yourself out of pretty much any situation just sprinting leeroy jenkins style.

In classic you have to think before you sprint across the street.

Honestly, I would prefer Classic if it had Realism speed and stamina because as it is now, no one crosses the street.

 

[PeteAtomic]

Honestly, I would prefer Classic if it had Realism speed and stamina because as it is now, no one crosses the street.

Without a motorized wheelchair, you mean