Changing Weapon Distribution & Restrictions

[MikkOwl]

How would you guys feel about the following weapon distribution?

Assault: MP40, PPSh
Rifleman: K98, Mosin-Nagant
Elite Rifleman: G41, SVT-40, MKb42
Machine Gunner: MG34, DP-28, AVT-40
Engineer: K98, MP40, Mosin-Nagant, PPSh
Squad Leader: K98, MP40, Mosin-Nagant, PPSh
Commander: K98, MP40, Mosin-Nagant, PPSh

The AVT-40 should be in MG class because it was an attempt to make the SVT-40 help fill the urgent need for more machine guns, which were lacking in the Red Army. It was not a very successful attempt.

The MKb42 should be in the Elite Rifleman class because assault rifles were a replacement for the overpowered (with the weight, recoil etc that comes with it) bolt-action (and sometimes semi-auto) rifles issued to riflemen. And of course, it was a rare prototype in field trials. Only a a small group of competent soldiers were first issued the weapon.

The G41 and SVT-40 should not be made available to squad leaders and commander, because traditionally these leaders focused on leading their men, using a easier to carry weapon for self-defence primarily (i.e. an SMG or carbine rifle). The marksman/senior rifleman types with more competency were given SVT-40. The G41 probably was so rare that almost no one had it, but if anyone gets it, it would be the elite riflemen, capable of using its extra capabilities fully. Also, there are so many specialist weapons already, making bolt-action rifles too uncommonly seen.

 

[Skjold89]

Signed & Supported. Give us a back a shred of realism.

 

[tomme25]

Yes, sounds good.

 

[Phantomspiker]

Yeah, that looks good to me.

 

[Unorthadox]

I like it, but I think Engineers should have a choice between a bolt action or SMG aswell.

 

[Examiner2]

AVT to take up space in LMG slot? No. If that was elite rifleman then I'd support it.

 

[MikkOwl]

I like it, but I think Engineers should have a choice between a bolt action or SMG aswell.

I wouldn't mind that personally. I like seeing more of the mainstay rifles. What did the engineers have in reality though? Hmm.. in Close Combat 3 (a RTS game), they had I think a mix of everything. Rifles, SMGs, heck even flamethrowers. Tell you what, I'll edit the suggestion to give them access to bolts, since it is probably realistic.

AVT to take up space in LMG slot? No. If that was elite rifleman then I'd support it.

Why should a machine gun replacement weapon be given to experienced sharpshooters? I realize that later in the war when they realized the weapon couldn't withstand full auto without breaking, and they forbade the firing of full auto, it would be just another SVT-40, and yes, belong to the Elite Rifleman class. But in the game, people do fire full auto, and it would so nicely fit into the theme of there being a shortage of machine guns for the Red Army.

 

[Nezzer]

I think this is how it should be in a 64 player server:
2 Assault: MP40, PPSh41
2 Elite Riflemen: SVT40, G41
2 MG: MG34, DP28
4 Squad Leaders: PPSh41, MP40
1 Hero class: all weapons of the other available classes + MkB, AVT and MP40/II
19 Riflemen: Kar98k, M91/30

 

[Princeps]

I really like all of the suggestions, however I'm afraid of concentrating so many of the desired weapons with the elite rifleman class; you'll probly only see Mkb42s.

 

[Examiner2]

Why should a machine gun replacement weapon be given to experienced sharpshooters? I realize that later in the war when they realized the weapon couldn't withstand full auto without breaking, and they forbade the firing of full auto, it would be just another SVT-40, and yes, belong to the Elite Rifleman class. But in the game, people do fire full auto, and it would so nicely fit into the theme of there being a shortage of machine guns for the Red Army.

For the same reason you put the mkb42 in the elite rifleman slot.

 

[DIRTY_THUG]

I'm going to state my opinion on the weapon distribution

Assault: MP40, PPSh
Rifleman: K98, Mosin-Nagant
Elite Rifleman: G41, SVT-40
Machine Gunner: MG34, DP-28
Engineer: K98, MP40, Mosin-Nagant, PPSh
Squad Leader & Commander: MKb42, MP40, G41, AVT-40, PPSh, SVT-40

That should at least keep the MKB and AVT users to a minimum.

 

[FBOTheLiuetenant]

I agree with everything about the proposed classes EXCEPT the AVT should not be in the MG class. Why? Because no one will bother to MG ever again. While it was originally thought to be a replacement for MGs it didn't work at that role, and while it may be authentic, it would not be good for gameplay simply because players would choose Allied MG just to get the AVT instead of actually being a machinegunner.

Not only do I think your class loadout is a good idea, I also think that like RO1, not every gun should be available on every map, as well as not eery map should have the same class limits.

 

[Wesreidau]

It does not make sense to give the AVT to the Russian machine gunner but the Mkb to the German elite rifleman. Both should go to the elite rifleman as an unlockable, and nobody else should get those weapons.

 

[Josef Nader]

AVT to take up space in LMG slot? No. If that was elite rifleman then I'd support it.

This. Other than that, +1.

 

[Flanker15]

I think this is how it should be in a 64 player server:
2 Assault: MP40, PPSh41
2 Elite Riflemen: SVT40, G41
2 MG: MG34, DP28
4 Squad Leaders: PPSh41, MP40
1 Hero class: all weapons of the other available classes + MkB, AVT and MP40/II
19 Riflemen: Kar98k, M91/30

Sounds good. Move 1 of the rifles out for commander though.
7smgs, 2 semis, 2 mgs and 1 special with the rest bolts would be a nice balance. Changing bolts into snipers, engineers, tanks and at as map need.

 

[luciferintears]

I voted yes but i dont like your avt placment as an LMG.

thats the only issue i have with your setup. everything else is great.

elite rifleman: g41, svt40, avt40, mkb42 (WITH ONLY 2 SLOTS PER TEAM AT MOST!)

 

[Zoring]

Hey fella, i am much in favour of changes, so much so that your thread inspired me to do my own, with a class by class breakdown of changes

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=64309

Please have a look and comment.