Instead of say.. 6 clots 4 crawlers 3 gorefasts or whatever low stuff he tends to summon, how about one time being 6 clots 4 crawlers 3 gorefasts 3 husks and 2 scrakes, and another 4 clots 2 gorefasts a siren and a fleshpound? They're a weeee bit too easy, especially considering how easy scrakes/fleshpounds go down now..
Buff Patriarch summons
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Having to deal with the Patriarch while simultaneously dealing with Scrakes/FPs would be a little much, IMO.
But just clots/crawlers/sirens is pretty lame. Maybe add some Gorefasts to keep people on their toes.
The biggest problem with the patty at the moment, though, is pipe bombs. Spam enough and he becomes a joke. Even though you can't stack 50,000 and instagib him now, you can still put a minefield of 50,000 of them out there and have him slowly kill himself trying to reach you. It's kinda pathetic and very anti-climatic...
But just clots/crawlers/sirens is pretty lame. Maybe add some Gorefasts to keep people on their toes.
The biggest problem with the patty at the moment, though, is pipe bombs. Spam enough and he becomes a joke. Even though you can't stack 50,000 and instagib him now, you can still put a minefield of 50,000 of them out there and have him slowly kill himself trying to reach you. It's kinda pathetic and very anti-climatic...
Yeah, would be neat.
As a whatever level field medic (6, yay) and with my grand accuracy without zooming in, I can run up to any scrake on hard with even up to 4 people and instantly decapitate it, and I know most high level sharpshooters who actually use crossbows can decapitate/sometimes 1 shot fleshpounds, so with the 20-30 seconds of intermission you get it wouldn't be too crazy, and I've seen stalkers too.
As for pipe bombs, I was once laying a line of them and found him right on the opposite side, and I found out that when cloaked he runs too fast, when they detonate he's barely inside their range and thus doesn't take much damage (that instance he was firing the chaingun/rocket launcher at myself and 2 others from the forests in wyre where we couldn't see him to fire back, fun). Either way, other powerful enemies would probably drive the players away from the minefield, no one wants to stay in a cramped space with a pissed off fleshpound. Maybe the first summon could just have the typical stuff and a husk or two, second summon same stuff and a scrake or two, third summon stuff and a fleshpound..
As a whatever level field medic (6, yay) and with my grand accuracy without zooming in, I can run up to any scrake on hard with even up to 4 people and instantly decapitate it, and I know most high level sharpshooters who actually use crossbows can decapitate/sometimes 1 shot fleshpounds, so with the 20-30 seconds of intermission you get it wouldn't be too crazy, and I've seen stalkers too.
As for pipe bombs, I was once laying a line of them and found him right on the opposite side, and I found out that when cloaked he runs too fast, when they detonate he's barely inside their range and thus doesn't take much damage (that instance he was firing the chaingun/rocket launcher at myself and 2 others from the forests in wyre where we couldn't see him to fire back, fun). Either way, other powerful enemies would probably drive the players away from the minefield, no one wants to stay in a cramped space with a pissed off fleshpound. Maybe the first summon could just have the typical stuff and a husk or two, second summon same stuff and a scrake or two, third summon stuff and a fleshpound..
Increase the difficulty. If you did that already, scale up the friendly fire. You'd be surprised how much harder it is when you can't spam fleshpounds when it's in someone's face. 20% is a good start.
If you have 1 or 2 decent sharpshooters with the xbow a scrake/fp really wouldn't matter would it? 1 head shot and its all over.
Hmm... most of the time there is at least one sharpshooter in the boss wave, so fleshpounds and scrakes wouldnt rly be a problem alone.
BUT
Imagine the Patriarch appearing in the middle of your team from cloak, while theres 2 scrakes and a fleshpound 10 feet away... Instant death, unless you manage to kill the Patty before his children kill you.
Its like... sometimes it might work out just fine and sometimes it would be impossible. On outside maps like Farm it wouldnt matter much, but in maps like Office it would get pretty annoying since the fleshpounds would spawn right next to you and there isnt much time to aim.
Maybe if they removed the cloaking ability from Patriarch while he is attacking the team. Because, the description says "He can cloak when he needs to heal" but that ****er pretty much always cloaks AFTER he healed himself and then attacks some unlucky guy from behind pretty much insta-killing him depending on the difficulty.
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Imagine the Patriarch appearing in the middle of your team from cloak, while theres 2 scrakes and a fleshpound 10 feet away... Instant death, unless you manage to kill the Patty before his children kill you.
Its like... sometimes it might work out just fine and sometimes it would be impossible. On outside maps like Farm it wouldnt matter much, but in maps like Office it would get pretty annoying since the fleshpounds would spawn right next to you and there isnt much time to aim.
Maybe if they removed the cloaking ability from Patriarch while he is attacking the team. Because, the description says "He can cloak when he needs to heal" but that ****er pretty much always cloaks AFTER he healed himself and then attacks some unlucky guy from behind pretty much insta-killing him depending on the difficulty.
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I'd not have a problem with maybe adding gorefasts to the mix, would be interesting. Anything higher is either too tough or too slow moving to still keep the focus on the Patriarch himself
i'd say that all the lower/mid tier zeds should spawn with him once he summons them. clots, crawlers, bloats, gorefasts, maybe even sirens, husks and stalkers.
having to deal with him alone is difficult if people don't know what to do.....scrakes and FP would be a little too much.
having to deal with him alone is difficult if people don't know what to do.....scrakes and FP would be a little too much.
i want something like the map "Candlesmoke", the patty is in the end of a wave, you kill the zeds and after he comes also you must not use all your ammo
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