Bring back exiting Tanks
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Very well put, an excellent summary of the things that need changing in this game.
Lets get back to some real RO tanking, and not this new arcady version we have now.
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Stop trolling, if you have nothing constructive to say, then say nothing.
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Field Marshal Rommel
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How am I supposed to do this then?:
Seems backwards. It should be allowed on tank only maps.
Seems backwards. It should be allowed on tank only maps.
The people who think it's realistic for tank crews to turn into storm troopers the instant they bail make me want to put staples upside down into my deodorant.
There ARE examples of when tank crews who had no tank were ordered before battle to fight as infantry alongside the infantry.
I've yet to read anything about tank crews jumping out of their burning tank, picking up guns and fighting.
Let's get this straight; this is a gameplay suggestion, not a realism suggestion. This would make the game "more fun" at the expense of realistic behavior.
There ARE examples of when tank crews who had no tank were ordered before battle to fight as infantry alongside the infantry.
I've yet to read anything about tank crews jumping out of their burning tank, picking up guns and fighting.
Let's get this straight; this is a gameplay suggestion, not a realism suggestion. This would make the game "more fun" at the expense of realistic behavior.
I'm the Grandson of a Canadian Tanker from WWII, and I've been told by someone who was there that tankers did in fact exit their tanks, even in battle.
My Grandfather's tank had a track thrown after being hit in combat. Unable to move the tank, and unable to effectively do anything in the driver's seat, he bailed, and joined with a group of infantry men to protect the tank. (You don't try to repair a track under fire.) The rest of the crew remained to operate the weapons for a short time, eventually bailing themselves after the commander felt they were at too great of a risk due to the fact they were not in a good hull down position.
My Grandfather was apparently given the weapons and ammo of a wounded American GI, and they fought for the rest of the afternoon to secure their tank. That evening they repaired the track, and withdrew for further repairs and rearming.
Other times, they often got out of the tank just to look around and scout. Tanks are big, noisy, and attract a lot of attention. A dude crawling through some shrubbery isn't. Crewmen left the tank in the middle of battle to look around. Tanks are not easy to drive, they are not easy to see out of, and finding out that you can't actually fit somewhere in the middle of a battle sucks if you do it the hard way and get yourself stuck.
They commonly strapped weapons and spare small arms ammo to the hull of the tank. My grandfather apparently had even got his hands on an LMG that they made use of several times during the war while dismounted.
My Grandfather's tank had a track thrown after being hit in combat. Unable to move the tank, and unable to effectively do anything in the driver's seat, he bailed, and joined with a group of infantry men to protect the tank. (You don't try to repair a track under fire.) The rest of the crew remained to operate the weapons for a short time, eventually bailing themselves after the commander felt they were at too great of a risk due to the fact they were not in a good hull down position.
My Grandfather was apparently given the weapons and ammo of a wounded American GI, and they fought for the rest of the afternoon to secure their tank. That evening they repaired the track, and withdrew for further repairs and rearming.
Other times, they often got out of the tank just to look around and scout. Tanks are big, noisy, and attract a lot of attention. A dude crawling through some shrubbery isn't. Crewmen left the tank in the middle of battle to look around. Tanks are not easy to drive, they are not easy to see out of, and finding out that you can't actually fit somewhere in the middle of a battle sucks if you do it the hard way and get yourself stuck.
They commonly strapped weapons and spare small arms ammo to the hull of the tank. My grandfather apparently had even got his hands on an LMG that they made use of several times during the war while dismounted.
Huge difference between protecting your disabled tank and running in guns ablazing into cap zones or finding a panzerfaust and going tank hunting.
Nobody (in game) is going to bail out just to sit around trying to repair the track.
Nobody (in game) is going to bail out just to sit around trying to repair the track.
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How is that unrealistic behavior? When Michael Wittmann's Tiger was immobilised at the battle of Villers-Bocage him and his crew bailed out and escaped on foot. And I can bet that if there was any infantry fighting going on and they got ahold of a weapon, that they would have fought for their lives. War is not some scripted movie. (Edit: Thanks for that luckless, It seems many people here need to get an idea of what real life possibility is, instead of what they think a tanker would do in a perfect world. As for you DiedTrying, see his post.)
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Just proved "my side's" point
You just argued for the inclusion of bailing so you can retreat back to camp.
Nobody is going to do that in RO2. Nobody did it in RO1 when there were actual tanks back at spawn to take.
That's why there is the scuttle button. It means to abandon (and to make useless for enemy) and then you get a new tank.
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I guess my problem is that it really breaks immersion in a game that focuses so much on it. I'd much rather go through the trouble of bailing and hoofing it back to camp (which I did in ROOST, by the way. Hard to go on a pistol rampage against a tank...) than shrug my shoulders and go "you screwed up, so use this respawn to simulate your daring escape back to your tank. Close your eyes and make machine gun noises for the best effect!"
You hit the nail on the head Josef. This is not even something that needs to be debated in my opinion. It's something that needs to be optional serverside and it's that simple. A win for both sides.
If you played Ro1, then you know that most tankers DO NOT hump it back to spawn.
Most that try don't even make it.
Adding bailing just to satisfy your need to roleplay doesn't mean it's a good idea that needs implemented.
But then what happens?
There aren't tanks waiting at spawn like RO1. Adding this isn't like flipping a light switch.
But it adds closure, and I never feel like I'm out of control.
So what if I don't make it? Getting picked off by a coaxial gun or hit my an enemy sniper is far more exciting than sitting in a disabled tank and waiting to get hit again, or self-destructing and waiting for a respawn.
I shouldn't have to sit there like a lemon because my track got hit as soon as I came over a hill. Going "D'oh well" and self-destructing is hardly any better. It breaks immersion with an audible *THUNK*
And what's the point of playing RO if you aren't roleplaying a little bit? I thought all of the brutal realism and attention to detail was so that you could immerse yourself in the Eastern Front?
So what if I don't make it? Getting picked off by a coaxial gun or hit my an enemy sniper is far more exciting than sitting in a disabled tank and waiting to get hit again, or self-destructing and waiting for a respawn.
I shouldn't have to sit there like a lemon because my track got hit as soon as I came over a hill. Going "D'oh well" and self-destructing is hardly any better. It breaks immersion with an audible *THUNK*
And what's the point of playing RO if you aren't roleplaying a little bit? I thought all of the brutal realism and attention to detail was so that you could immerse yourself in the Eastern Front?
I don't think half of you remember the first red orchestra... you would bail and run around with a pistol for 45 min taking up a tank class slot. thats not fair for the 63 other players wanting to tank. Suck it up, you got out tanked, now you die.
People have brought up the single most important aspect of being able to leave their tank. To walk forward on foot and scout the hill ahead without exposing your tank... Yet anyone who is in favor of being locked in tanks completely ignores this argument.