Played some more, feels more balanced now. Only small issue I have is that A and B are too easy now. Perhaps a little more difficulty (not too much) on A and B and a little easier D and E would be nicer in my opinion. 
Ok, Mormegil11_HARLEY_11 created the map. I think he should know what he intended.
OkAs for Mike Nomad, we just humor him![]()
That said, I probably need to find better servers - I'm often only guy throwing smoke and/or switching to engineer to clear tank traps... very lazy players most of the time, but what the hell, I'm enjoying it![]()
I noticed the generalized laziness lately too.
There was this match some other day, the map was Red October Factory and we went the whole first round without blowing up a single objective... off course we couldn't make not even to the first cap.
So I changed to engineer and destroyed that door on the left flank and all of a sudden we started to move up and cap the first point, then the next and the next.
Sometimes all it takes is someone to play the role.
Yea I know what you mean. These little pricks start freaking out when their commander/squad leader tries to actually IDK Give them an Order? Then they whine till the cows come home when they keep getting mowed down one by one......I tried to get the herd of newbies moving yesterday but got greeted with "stfu" and the usual beginners banter...when the tank commander asked how to switch to HE shells 15 minutes into the round i knew it was time to change sides and end this sharade quickly.
Still i think people will learn how to play Ro and this map..and all the others.
Yea I know what you mean. These little pricks start freaking out when their commander/squad leader tries to actually IDK Give them an Order? Then they whine till the cows come home when they keep getting mowed down one by one......
Perhaps that is why we lose interest in "official" maps so quickly. They tend to be geared more for a generic player set? Granted there are/were some epic official maps in RO1 but I've found most of the RO2 maps (in general) to be less intense). I think most custom mappers try to bring a unique experience and challenge to their maps. Everyone that sticks with the game (or a map) will become "vets" at some point so I don't see the problem with having challenging maps. Evil Hobo's original Kreigstadt map (not the DH version) comes to mind. The last objective took almost complete co-ordination by the Russians to win. But it was so rewarding when accomplished.While I tend to agree, I wonder how much of the feel / play of the map is affected by the change in the players. Before a map goes official, only the players willing to either download and install the map, or willing to wait for a server redirect download will ever play it. Those players are likely minority of the RO2 player base, and probably a more dedicated set.
Additionally, people getting the custom maps usually come in as a trickle, and can "learn the ropes" from the map vets, who are the majority of the players on a given server.
Once the map is official, everybody has access to it all at once. Their play style likely differs from the more dedicated set, and the lack of "trickling in" doesn't allow them to learn it from a majority of seasoned players.
I guess if TWI released a custom map with no changes, we could see if it played differently or not. As always, it's probably a combination of both.
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i guess my point is similar to mr. Moe's. Aside from bug fixes and minor tweaks, to date, i have preferred the mapper's final versions.
Could not agree more. Playing kessel or even racowice without engineer is a lost cause most times. Rather than complain there is no engineer, experienced players should just step up.
D & E are pretty hard, but some guys on the flank can clear out the points, then smoke and cap.
Oh I see
Perhaps we didn't flank enough and sought too much cover from the bridge.
Also Vehicles like a bren gun carrier would have next to NO effect on this map.
Also Vehicles like a bren gun carrier would have next to NO effect on this map. Although that t70 seems a natural. replace the one t34 with 1 or 2 of them? Na leave it as is.! Well actually the t70 maybe perfect....